Why didn't Qui Gon dissapear?

I'm sure this has been discussed before, and if it has, close this thread and let me know the name of the other thread so that i won't have to wade through dozens upon dozens of threads to find it.

anyways, i believe some of you mentioned that he didn't disspear because he wasn't expecting to die. Obi Wan, Yoda and Vader/Anakin were all expecting to die, and so their bodies disspeared and they became one with the force.

I always thought that it was only the jedi masters that would dissapear. Qui Gon was a knight, not a master as far as my understanding goes. Only the masters were on the jedi counsel, right? Qui Gon wasn't a master. Obi Wan was a master by the time ep4 rolled around, he is still a knight in ep2. Anakin turned darth vader was also a master by the time of his death in ep6. we ALL know that yoda was a master as well.

Maybe it's a combination of both? Let me know that you all think.

he wasn't involved in the prophecy, imho

This one has indeed been done to death...

Ignore ramblings about his destiny and expecting to die. The question should not be why does he NOT disappear, but why DO the ones in the Original Films do it? They are the exception- Jedi do not normally disappear (or indeed EVER disappear except in those films). GL says all will be explained in the next film.

BTW, Qui-Gon IS a Master, clearly referred to as such in the script and described as such by GL. Beign a Master has nothing to do with it.

was obi wan a master in aotc? i remember seeing a tv spot saying that he is a knight. i thought only knights take one on one apprentices. so if obiwan is a knight in aotc, i figured qui gon was a knight in tpm too

you were right ush, i just looked it up. he was a master. does anyone know how a knight becomes a master?

Traditionally a Knight becomes a Master only after he(or she) has successfully trained a Padawan Learner who achieves full knighthood. The matter of Obi Wan training Anakin when he(Obi Wan) was only a knight is the exception to this rule as it was a special case.

you become a knight after the trials right?

yes

so if you become a master after successfully training a padawan, you are a knight when you train that padawan. Qui Gon was a master when he was training Obi Wan, so did he have an apprentice before Obi?

I ask this because Obi Wan hadn't taken the trials during TPM and hadn't achieved knighthood, but yet, Qui Gon was still a master

well, he was a master as in "he had an apprentice he teached"

though if I'm not mistaken many months ago there was this discussion here about masters and knights being ranks given to someone no matter if they train someone or not

EU states that QGJ did train others before Obi Wan but I have not heard anything official concerning that.

QGJ was originally suppose to have a "ghost" scene done. But the actor Liam was in a bad motorcycle accident which prevented him from being able to do the scene. So they used his voice instead.

GL doesn't tell it that way.

Well, I disagree

Feel free but there is a GL quote where he says he thought about the possibility of getting Liam to do new stuff but in the end just used material from TPM, but that it would 'not be so simple' next time. He says nothing about being unable to use him. And he was, in any case, back to work way before filming ended.

We will see who is right in EPS 3.

(I back myself up with the fact that we do hear QGJ's voice , and OB 1's voice was also heard first before we saw his "ghost". If he is just plain dead and not a "spirit" like yoda, OB 1, and Anakin, then why do we hear his voice at all? I say this is possibly setting up his apperance as a force ghost in EPS 3.)

See who is right in 3? What on Earth are you talking about? No we will not. I am right as that is what GL said. But of COURSE that might presage a ghost appearance in 3, hence GL saying it would not be so simple next time.

Point is that no accident prevented him from being a ghost in AOTC- GL just decided to make him voice only in it.

In your other post on here , you seem to be saying that you do think he will be a ghost. And that is what I am refering to !

As for what happen to Liam, I know what I am talking about. Why dont you show the link you have to GL's exact words on the matter.

I never at any point said he would not be a ghost.. ALL i said is that he was never going to be anything other than a voice in AOTC. You havenlt backed up what YOU say so it is rather rude to ask me to.

Please do me the courtesy of not putting words in my mouth.

I said "seemed" , now dont put words in my mouth.

For one, I can reveil the site I got my information about QGJ, but can you ?