Didn't know there was a thread for this.
Originally posted by "Id"
Alt realtiy Vals and Sues. Those blast from the swans behave much like Sues force fields.
Anyway. The Black Swans are telepaths and can project energy much like Susan. So that makes sense.
I'm calling it right now.
Replace the Sue with many Sues and the Celestial with a Beyonder.
Hickman's already given us a team-up of several alternate Reeds in the form of 'The Council'. So yeah, The Black Swans being a team-up of several alternate Sues definitely makes sense--especially given that they evidently live to serve Rabum Alal, who we now know is Doom.
Same coin, The Black Priests being a team-up of several alternate Stranges also makes sense, given what we know about them so far.
As for the Great Library: unless Val/Doom did some massive remodeling to The Council's base/chamber, then it's hard to imagine them being one in the same... But who knows? Literally anything is possible at this point. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
Same coin, The Black Priests being a team-up of several alternate Stranges also makes sense, given what we know about them so far.
The Black Priests were clearly beyond Dr. Strange before he underwent the contract, so if they are alternate versions of Dr. Strange they should've undergone the contract as well. Unless they all sold less than five fifths of their souls.
Originally posted by AstnerTypically the 616 version of a character is portrayed as the most powerful version of a character--which might explain why Strange is the most powerful Black Priest.
Then how come Dr. Strange is vastly superior to the Black Priests? As he said, the priest can only speak in letters, but Dr. Strange can speak in words.The Black Priests were clearly beyond Dr. Strange before he underwent the contract, so if they are alternate versions of Dr. Strange they should've undergone the contract as well. Unless they all sold less than five fifths of their souls.
Dunno. srug
The problem I have with that is that it wasn't a lottery. It was a very carefully weighted trade. The Giant at the Sinner's Market didn't have to give him all that power if all of the other Black Priests traded their five fifths.
Anyway. I don't think any of the Swans have seen Dr. Doom. The only ones that were allowed close to him at their eyes pealed out. I wonder what would happen if they found out that Dr. Doom was a sorcerer himself.
Like I said: it's just a thought. In the end, the last thing I give a phuck about is the identities of the Swans/Priests.
I'm a lot more curious to find out how Doom attained such an esteemed position--one that enables him to wage war with The Ivory Kings, and wipe out the entire fuking Marvel continuum. ermmnone
yeah, can't say i'm thrilled either, but can't say i was expecting anything great. i know i'm in the minority, but i don't like hickman and have little faith this will all be cogently explained. i hope i'm wrong.... as for the priests and swans--i'd be surprised if they were alt anyone's. doom simply says he gathered acolytes. fitting his backstory into play will be hard enough. can't see how it would be possible for him to have gathered all these alt beings to his cause....
it's weird though--maybe i misinterpreted it earlier, or just misremember now (this f'n arc has gone on sooooo long......) , but i swore the ivory kings and black priests were both supposed to be BELOW rabum alal, whom i assumed was the BIG villain... now it seems rabum/doom is simply working on a way to defeat the beyonders? this....makes no sense whatsoever. fingers crossed that i am surprised and that this all somehow works out....
oh, and the idea that to beat the black priests all you needed was a vacuum is pretty hilarious.... and here's hoping odin enchanted some a butter knife, or maybe a spoon in such a way that it can slice through a beyonder. 👆
Brevoort pretty much explains how Rabum Alal is Doom
Spoiler:
Time travel
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/03/11/avengers-villain-finally-revealed-in-new-avengers-30
Originally posted by "Id"Cyclops' Phoenix Egg, perhaps.
The Beyonders have a lot going for them.They wield great cosmic powers.
Have adaptive properties.
And are technology aided.The last one is a bit of a surprise. Supplementing tech to aid them. That was odd how Molecule Man was stopped dead in its track when attempting to reach the Beyonders. But Doom fabricates a door out of nowhere.
At this rate Doom could have gained the Beyonder power again, and tech to rally up an attack.
I hope the Galactus Seed does not get discarded. Its meant to usher the new Multivserse when the current one ends. Otherwise how else are they going to restore reality?
Originally posted by AstnerDr. Strange got nothing from the Sinner's Market that we know of. What we saw was him being denied a barter because he didn't have the full measure of a soul to trade for. Stephen must have learned the words at some point in another fashion. Likely after he escaped from Earth 616 in the aftermath of the Great Society massacre when another Incursion was imminent but stopped by Namor's Cabal.
The problem I have with that is that it wasn't a lottery. It was a very carefully weighted trade. The Giant at the Sinner's Market didn't have to give him all that power if all of the other Black Priests traded their five fifths.
I don't think Dr. Doom is so much fighting the Beyonders as he is trying to find a way to save as much as he can of the multiverse from them. In other words, I think he'll create Battleworld from the remnants of the Earths that have been destroyed and relocate the important heroes and villains to Battleworld.
But the "a god is needed to kill a god," comment by the Molecule Man makes me very skeptical.
Originally posted by ODG
Dr. Strange got nothing from the Sinner's Market that we know of. What we saw was him being denied a barter because he didn't have the full measure of a soul to trade for. Stephen must have learned the words at some point in another fashion. Likely after he escaped from Earth 616 in the aftermath of the Great Society massacre when another Incursion was imminent but stopped by Namor's Cabal.
Edit. Never-mind.
Originally posted by JayDaDonWell... Yeah. 😕
Brevoort pretty much explains how Rabum Alal is DoomSpoiler:
Time travelhttp://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/03/11/avengers-villain-finally-revealed-in-new-avengers-30
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Brevoort pretty much explains how Rabum Alal is DoomSpoiler:
Time travelhttp://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/03/11/avengers-villain-finally-revealed-in-new-avengers-30
I'm done.
Tbf I think the biggest reveal about this isn't even who Rabum Alal is, it's the likely-hood that the idea of Rabum Alal is a scam by Doom. I mean the Swans clearly have no idea who they serve or what their true purpose is, and all we've heard about Rabum Alal is from them.
So basically the hope that they could play Rabum Alal off against the Beyonders ,who at this point it's becoming clear are the real villains, is gone, as it looks like even now Doom can't match them.
Also, with this new reveal I'm guessing the empty universe from Fantastic Four 605.1 and 611 might be the starting point for the collapse. Either from when that Reed destroyed the universe or when Doom recreated it.
