Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Scout, Whie, Ventress, and Dooku do not interest me at all.
Whie doesn't particularly interest me either but Scout, Ventress, and Dooku all rock in that book.
Though on second thought, I agree that a character study of a legendary former Jedi who turned to the dark side and adopted the ways of the Sith initially to protect and purify a corrupted galaxy wouldn't be up your alley.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Though on second thought, I agree that a character study of a legendary former Jedi who turned to the dark side and adopted the ways of the Sith initially to protect and purify a corrupted galaxy wouldn't be up your alley.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan's story was infinitely better then Dooku's (until SWTOR came, at least).
? They're more or less the same story, except Dooku was {presumably} converted over a lengthy period of personal trial and skillful manipulation by Darth Sidious whereas Revan folded to a cheap mind-whammy like a puss. uhuh
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Having Darth Maul in all three movies would have been a much better route, with Zonakin killing Maul to save Kenobi.
Not really. TPM!Maul would have made for a particularly unlikely figurehead for the Separatist movement.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
It would have been an ideal conclusion to the EU timeline, really.
Yea, it should have been THE conclusion.
? They're more or less the same story, except Dooku was {presumably} converted over a lengthy period of personal trial and skillful manipulation by Darth Sidious whereas Revan folded to a cheap mind-whammy like a puss.
? They're more or less the same story, except Dooku was {presumably} converted over a lengthy period of personal trial and skillful manipulation by Darth Sidious whereas Revan folded to a cheap mind-whammy like a puss.
Not really. TPM!Maul would have made for a particularly unlikely figurehead for the Separatist movement.
Originally posted by psmith81992
That's because one was mind raped, and the other was sexually seduced over years.
But can you blame him, really?
Look at that face.
Darthant666
That's why I said before TOR. The story of a person who wanted to save and protect people but fell through the chaos of war and destruction to achieve victory, turning him into the very thing he wanted to destroy.
Darthant666
Dooku just didn't like the fighting and wanted some power so Palpatine came along and offered him to join the Sith and Dooku accepted. Nothing special. Admittedly, TOR made Revan's story poor as well.
As I said, they're essentially the same story. Details, of course, vary. The only difference is that you're lovingly describing Revan's narrative and shortchanging Dooku's. Which is cool, that can be reversed at any time. The portrait painted by the lore is that Dooku wanted to save the Jedi and the galaxy from a corrupt Republic and, like Revan, used militant means to achieve victory all the while corrupting himself irrevocably. It's the same story. Except Dooku is portrayed by Christopher Lee and so wins by default. 😄
Originally posted by psmith81992
I think Revan is the most interesting character in the mythos but that's largely because most of his story is a mystery.
Nah, that can't be it. There are literally dozens of Star Wars characters with more "mysterious" stories by virtue of the fact that they're unknown. I think your interest in Revan owes to the fact that you played him. He's a Messiah figure and polymath of absurd proportions: of his age, he's the best fighter, the best mechanic, the best pilot, the best swordsman, the best Force user, the best diplomat, the best politician, the best general, the best everything. And you assumed that identity, that role, those gifts.
It's wish fulfillment in the extreme. I personally find Revan intriguing, but I also believe he should remain an enigma for that very reason: no writer can do that level of fanservice justice.
Originally posted by psmith81992
A mysterious Messiah figure. Maybe it's because I played him but his story and his era is so damn interesting. He was a sith, a jedi, found a long lost civilization, etc. Can't find a more interesting story for a character.
Right, that's what I'm saying. He's The Ace and naturally that level of excellence arousesappeals to somebody like you. And many others.
I've always liked Revan for the same reason I've always liked Dooku. The difference, of course, is that Dooku is introduced not as a kid's wet dream but as (more or less) a fully fleshed character. With Dooku, we don't just get a set of personal skills and legend, but a presence and personality because he's portrayed by a veteran actor on screen. So, as mysterious as he is, Revan is infinitely moreso. We don't know his quirks, his mannerisms, his manner of speech, his personality, etc.
That's why Revan works best, imo, as a perpetual mystery. I don't want to see his face, I don't want a viewpoint section from him in a book, I don't want anything of the sort. What'll be put on paper can never ever live up to the cult of personality around him that the fans have created.
I think whats more interesting to me about Revan as opposed to Dooku is that Revan actually was a hero who went to war to save the galaxy and succeeded. Dooku was just an idealist who got mislead like a chump. Revan's story is more compelling because it's more relate-able, heroic and tragic. But also, again, more mysterious. Why did he really go to war? Did he know what he was doing? Was he always so dark or did the war force him to become darker to win? We can endlessly speculate and form our own narratives of him.
Originally posted by psmith81992
I thought that too, until all this new TOR stuff just came out that's going to make him look like a god.
Until he fails, dies, retreats and nothing of consequence happens. It's not about making Revan (or any character, for that matter) "look like a god." It's about making him compelling. He works best as an enigma whose cult of personality is almost impenetrable. Was he as badass as everyone made him out to be? Perhaps. Or perhaps much of it was aggrandizement perpetuated by Revanchist supporters to deify their leader. Who knows? Either way, the only way to make him "like a god" is to make him into a Gary Stu and we're back to square one: Revan's sole purpose is to make insecure losers feel special.
You of all people should stand with me on this, given how much you hate the proverbial insecure loser. uhuh
Join me, my son.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think whats more interesting to me about Revan as opposed to Dooku is that Revan actually was a hero who went to war to save the galaxy and [b]succeeded.[/b]
You're so silly. If success were the deciding factor in determining your interest, then this guy
Would be your all-time Star Wars favorite. But he's not, so I can't take this seriously. Give me something cogent here, bra.
No, I was saying that Revan actually did save the galaxy. Fighting the Mando's was the morally correct thing to do and I would have done the same thing. Which makes it more tragic that he lost his way precisely because he succeeded in saving the galaxy. It was the ultimate corruption of the ultimate hero. Even in his victory, he became the next threat. Compelling stuff.