Hancock and Superman (Cavill) vs Avengers and X-men with Magneto

Originally posted by Psychotron
The OP can include every mutant on the planet and it still won't matter. Which mutant could even hurt Superman or Hancock?

For example Dark Phoenix, Wolverine, Xavier could potentially hurt Hancock. But its not about any single mutant.

If I had to create a team to take the duo down:

Telepathy:

1. Dark Phoenix
2. Professor X
3. Emma Frost
4. Jason Stryker
5. Jean Grey

Should be able to mind rape anyone.

Main Attack Force:

1. Dark Phoenix
2. Apocalypse (given only TK feats)
3. Magneto
4. Shaw (Team Amped by Cyclops/Havok/Sunspot/Gambit/Pyro)
5. Juggernaut
6. Rogue (Absorbed everyone's powers)
7. Deadpool
8. Wolverine
9. Lady Deathstrike
10. Sunspot (Hancock a little vulnerable to heat?)
11. Havok
12. Agent Zero (Adamantium Bullets - guided by Magneto)
13. Silver Samurai
14. Colossus (physical integrity supported by Magneto)

Support (aid other mutants in attack or avoid death):

1. Blink
2. Azazel
3. Nightcrawler
4. Quicksilver
5. Shadowcat
6. Ink (make Hancock throw up)
7. John Wraith

Distractions / Human Shields

- Every other mutant on the Earth - lets say 1 million (gross underestimate).
- Job is to distract the opponent or to take hits for the important players.

X-men Universe stomps.

Originally posted by Lestov16
It's been brought up in past threads that there is no reason to think mutant TP can work on extraterrestrials.

He can get drunk and actually becomes a normal human if around his wife.

Superman tbh is so close to human (In fact, arguably more-so than some mutants) that I doubt that would matter.

Originally posted by Placidity
For example Dark Phoenix, Wolverine, Xavier could potentially hurt Hancock. But its not about any single mutant.

If I had to create a team to take the duo down:

[b]Telepathy:

1. Dark Phoenix
2. Professor X
3. Emma Frost
4. Jason Stryker
5. Jean Grey

Should be able to mind rape anyone.

Main Attack Force:

1. Dark Phoenix
2. Apocalypse (given only TK feats)
3. Magneto
4. Shaw (Team Amped by Cyclops/Havok/Sunspot/Gambit/Pyro)
5. Juggernaut
6. Rogue (Absorbed everyone's powers)
7. Deadpool
8. Wolverine
9. Lady Deathstrike
10. Sunspot (Hancock a little vulnerable to heat?)
11. Havok
12. Agent Zero (Adamantium Bullets - guided by Magneto)
13. Silver Samurai
14. Colossus (physical integrity supported by Magneto)

Support (aid other mutants in attack or avoid death):

1. Blink
2. Azazel
3. Nightcrawler
4. Quicksilver
5. Shadowcat
6. Ink (make Hancock throw up)
7. John Wraith

Distractions / Human Shields

- Every other mutant on the Earth - lets say 1 million (gross underestimate).
- Job is to distract the opponent or to take hits for the important players.

X-men Universe stomps. [/B]

Xmen's Earth, I think he is referring to the X-Men + Magneto as he is not considered X-Men Team proper.

Not every mutant on earth.

Originally posted by Placidity
For example Dark Phoenix, Wolverine, Xavier could potentially hurt Hancock. But its not about any single mutant.

If I had to create a team to take the duo down:

[b]Telepathy:

1. Dark Phoenix
2. Professor X
3. Emma Frost
4. Jason Stryker
5. Jean Grey

Should be able to mind rape anyone.

Main Attack Force:

1. Dark Phoenix
2. Apocalypse (given only TK feats)
3. Magneto
4. Shaw (Team Amped by Cyclops/Havok/Sunspot/Gambit/Pyro)
5. Juggernaut
6. Rogue (Absorbed everyone's powers)
7. Deadpool
8. Wolverine
9. Lady Deathstrike
10. Sunspot (Hancock a little vulnerable to heat?)
11. Havok
12. Agent Zero (Adamantium Bullets - guided by Magneto)
13. Silver Samurai
14. Colossus (physical integrity supported by Magneto)

Support (aid other mutants in attack or avoid death):

1. Blink
2. Azazel
3. Nightcrawler
4. Quicksilver
5. Shadowcat
6. Ink (make Hancock throw up)
7. John Wraith

Distractions / Human Shields

- Every other mutant on the Earth - lets say 1 million (gross underestimate).
- Job is to distract the opponent or to take hits for the important players.

X-men Universe stomps. [/B]

Well, under those circumstances the mutants would win simply because there's so many. But I would argue that Hancock and Superman can take the team you made with moderate effort. Assuming Superman and Hancock are serious, they can blitz the telepaths fairly easily and take out or bfr any serious threat before the opposing team has a chance to react. Also, I don't think Rogue can absorb everyone's powers at once.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Well, under those circumstances the mutants would win simply because there's so many. But I would argue that Hancock and Superman can take the team you made with moderate effort. Assuming Superman and Hancock are serious, they can blitz the telepaths fairly easily and take out or bfr any serious threat before the opposing team has a chance to react. Also, I don't think Rogue can absorb everyone's powers at once.

If they target the telepaths at the get go, that implies prep and knowledge.

There is so much prep/planning the X-men could unleash, but a super simple counter would just have Shadowcat keep the telepaths intangible, or teleport them around. Or have Phoenix and Apocalypse erect a TK barrier. I'm sure they can be more creative.

Depending on how far they start off (100m standard?), I think telepathy would take effect before Superman/Han can reach them. Assuming that is their intention as soon as the battle starts.

Yea, Rogue probably couldn't absorb everyone, but she doesn't need to. Quicksilver + Shaw would probably be enough.

Interesting question - can Dark Phoenix or Apocalypse hold Superman/Han (either one) in place with TK?

I think Apocalypse could do it.

Weight of the Great Pyramid of Giza = 5,955,000 tons.

The one in the film probably not that big? I have no idea, but that's still crazy. And he looks pretty casual about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EywrnmHS73o

Originally posted by Placidity
If they target the telepaths at the get go, that implies prep and knowledge.

There is so much prep/planning the X-men could unleash, but a super simple counter would just have Shadowcat keep the telepaths intangible, or teleport them around. Or have Phoenix and Apocalypse erect a TK barrier. I'm sure they can be more creative.

Depending on how far they start off (100m standard?), I think telepathy would take effect before Superman/Han can reach them. Assuming that is their intention as soon as the battle starts.

Yea, Rogue probably couldn't absorb everyone, but she doesn't need to. Quicksilver + Shaw would probably be enough.

Interesting question - can Dark Phoenix or Apocalypse hold Superman/Han (either one) in place with TK?

I think Apocalypse could do it.

Weight of the Great Pyramid of Giza = 5,955,000 tons.

The one in the film probably not that big? I have no idea, but that's still crazy. And he looks pretty casual about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EywrnmHS73o

I was under the impression that characters had some basic knowledge? Otherwise I could see the supermen just battering their way through everyone at super speed. That could take out the telepaths + the other glass cannons, and I don't think Kitty can make everyone intangible at the same time, or if she could even make one person intangible in time if Superman and Hancock start with a blitz.

We don't know if telepathy would even work on them, Clark is an alien and Hancock is a god/angel/whatever. Not to mention that Superman has a strong mental fortitude in the comics.

Did Rogue ever absorb more than one person's power in the movies? I can't remember.

I don't think they could hold either of them. That Pyramid feat was impressive, but I don't think it will be enough. Superman's World Engine and Singularity feats are more impressive IMO, and the way Hancock casually stopped that train without even flinching is uber.

Originally posted by wallman77
drunk

Hancock maybe, kal..lol

thor's blows from mjolnir send shockwaves that can break concrete, hulk has mean a str8 right...don't tell me they cant hurt clark.

they by no means win but that's a nonsense statement.
credibility breaker type statement

lol... concrete.

by feats, neither of them could even make Kal move.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
If Kal's equals could not put him down, how could Hulk or Thor? The hammer failed to put anyone of note down for a TKO other then frost giants. To boot Hancock is here, which could no sell possibly as much as Kal.

I never said they k'o Clark. but the dude said they cant HURT him. and I never disagreed about hancock

Originally posted by marwash22
😐

lol... concrete.

by feats, neither of them could even make Kal move.

with all the noise that was made abou8t the kryptonian punches making shockwaves, I merely stated thor's were even more impressive even breaking concrete around him. clearly mjolnir could rattle him enough to take him off his feet. right ...hulk couldn't make Clark move, stay smokin that purp buddy come back and talk when you come back down doh

anyway hancock is just too much. team1 takes it

yeah, I'm high, high on factual facts.

Kal wouldn't even acknowledge their existence. Mjolnir would probably break into pieces if Thor got the opportunity to hit Kal with it.

Originally posted by marwash22
yeah, I'm high, high on factual facts.

Kal wouldn't even acknowledge their existence. Mjolnir would probably break into pieces if Thor got the opportunity to hit Kal with it.

unless clark weighs more than a leviathan, kal is acknowledging a hulk right str8

>yea im high on actual facts
>proceds to state none facts about mjlolnir breaking

Autism Awareness

you know i was phucking with you, right?

my initial post was serious, neither Thor or Hulk can hurt Superman... the rest was hyperbole/trolling 'cause you clearly wanted to be in an argument since you too agree that Superman and Hancock win but decided for some reason to nit pick an irrelevant detail.

If Xavier's TP works on the Superman and Hancock, they're doomed. Without it, they beat everyone to death or punch the ones they can't kill into orbit.

Sidenote: Dark Phoenix can affect down to the molecular level, so she might be able to just disintegrate or transmute them.

no limits fallacy, rob. We never saw her disintegrate anything above steel (what i assume to be the toughest substance within the buildings she vape'd)

Originally posted by Lestov16
It's been brought up in past threads that there is no reason to think mutant TP can work on extraterrestrials.

What on God's Green earth are you talking about? Xavier has TP'd various ET's in Marvel... Pretty much most characters in Marvel are from different races of people... Doesn't stop... Xavier or Moondragon or Mantis from having no issue TPing people all across comics. Yet, somehow that doesn't count?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What on God's Green earth are you talking about? Xavier has TP'd various ET's in Marvel... Pretty much most characters in Marvel are from different races of people... Doesn't stop... Xavier or Moondragon or Mantis from having no issue TPing people all across comics. Yet, somehow that doesn't count?

Not in the movies he has not.

COME AND GET ME, BOY!

Originally posted by marwash22
no limits fallacy, rob. We never saw her disintegrate anything above steel (what i assume to be the toughest substance within the buildings she vape'd)

Nope.com

In the director's cut: we see her transmute a cup into pure energy. I also said "might" based on that feat, mouth.

****ing mouth mouthing off again.

shit got cut from the film.

that argument is loose butthole, rob.

Originally posted by wallman77
unless clark weighs more than a leviathan, kal is acknowledging a hulk right str8

>yea im high on actual facts
>proceds to state none facts about mjlolnir breaking

Autism Awareness

Yo, are you greentexting outside of 4chan? That's autism right there.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nope.com

In the director's cut: we see her transmute a cup into pure energy. I also said "might" based on that feat, mouth.

****ing mouth mouthing off again.

Hm, that could actually be a fairly powerful feat, when did she do this?

Though yeah, disintergration requires energy, though not sure if she could generate enough to harm Superman. Not sure about Hancock though, meh, Hancock