Barsen'thor vs Traya

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because... Sion is so badass with TK? Sorry but no dice with me. Blasting through a house sized blast door beats ragdolling a chump like Sion. Plus most of the Barsen'thor's TK feats were done in a weakened condition and early in her career.

Meanwhile Kreia TK's three(four is you count cut-content) Jedi High council members, utilizes a variety of force powers against them(including force crush) brings people back to life on the fly despite not having used her healing powers "in some time" can levitate lightsabers and give them a will of their own And in cut-content, she stabs herself with a saber and survives.

Oh she beat down all of the Exile's padawans/apprentices and "tanked" their strikes.

Cut content doesn't add another Jedi Master. She still dies, iirc, either way. She has also never brought a single person back to life. And beating down novices doesn't put you above the Barsen'thor.

All that said, Traya wins.

Originally posted by Selenial
And yet one would argue that Lord Vivicar's strength was sorcery, and being cut from his sources of power means the rituals he used cost him more than he gained.

I don't know why I'd even need to go into the fact that the First Son saved the Barsen'thor's life, Syo Bakarn fighting him in his mind was perhaps the only reason she survived that battle, seeing as Syo incapacitated his alter ego and wasted his energy healing the Consular...

She also effortlessly slaughtered 4 jedi with TK all in short succession, and was considered more powerful than Nihilus in TK despite his little starship feat until he got powerful enough with Drain...

But he wasn't cut from the source of his power until after the Consular had defeated him. Are you really arguing he was weaker than she was?

That's speculation. She showed she was capable of resisting his telepathy, getting around his invisibility and overpowering him with TK. Just because Syo did heal her doesn't mean she need him to to have won the fight.

Lol, wut? Now you're getting into crazy town. She overpowered the Exile's poorly trained apprentices at the heart of Malachor only in cut content and saying she's better than Nihilus in TK is utter hilarity. Oh but it was before he got powerful? Well no shit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But he wasn't cut from the source of his power until after the Consular had defeated him. Are you really arguing he was weaker than she was?

That's speculation. She showed she was capable of resisting his telepathy, getting around his invisibility and overpowering him with TK. Just because Syo did heal her doesn't mean she need him to to have won the fight.

Lol, wut? Now you're getting into crazy town. She overpowered the Exile's poorly trained apprentices at the heart of Malachor only in cut content and saying she's better than Nihilus in TK is utter hilarity.

No, he was drawing on the most powerful Jedi Masters, when she shielded them he was cut off. Perhaps, but I don't believe she would have won without Syo at least fighting the first Son.

We all use that cut content constantly, and it's still impressive seeing as she showed the speed to dodge all of their blades. It doesn't matter if she was actually better or not, Nihilus and Sion refused to face her until they knew they could strip her of her force identity, they were obviously terrified of her if two of the most big-headed Sith in the galaxy wouldn't try touch her.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Still can't get over him losing to Atton. I never will.

*shrug*

Atton was bloodlusted, whatcha gonna do I guess.

He was also a trained assassin, and through a force bond with the Exile had years worth of Jedi Training...

Yeah, Sion has never really impressed me all that much.

Sion was a Marauder for decades. No respect. Need to make a Sion disrespect thread.

I think it's safe to say that Sion has died in combat more than anyone else in the mythos.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Cut content doesn't add another Jedi Master. She still dies, iirc,

This scene says otherwise bud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BBfADTmIvI

either way. She has also never brought a single person back to life.

Um....She revived a dead Colonel tobin and a dead Hanharrr -_-

And beating down novices doesn't put you above the Barsen'thor

didn't the Barsen'thor get so much hype because of "beating down novices"?
(That was a joke)

All that said, Traya wins.

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Originally posted by Selenial
I don't know, but I always picture my characters when we talk about them and mine are all female.

And I know her feats aren't, but most of those threads (this one included) are full of quotes like "A powerful padawan" "Strong in the force" "Stronger at age 4 than I was at 15" which in my mind, are meaningless.

I find Barsen'thor a powerful Jedi, there is no doubt about that. Traya however is a master swordsmen, something the Consular has never been attributed with. Their force levels are similar, but Traya seems to be stronger at in combat techniques. She wields incredible TK, potent Dark Healing, Shatterpoint beyond that of anyone else we've seen.... I just think Barsen'thor III is outmatched here.

I was only referencing feats, not accolades, which are hardly game changing and shouldn't be used as such. Accolades are just there for completeness, not as a substitute for feats (let's say they are 1/4 of the cake) . Being a master of lightsaber combat is way too generic anyways.

Any above average duellist could be labelled as such, and such hype isn't going to make a difference when facing other master duellists, even when they don't have accolades in that regard. For Dark Healing, I honestly fail to see what's so special about it. Shatterpoint has never been used in combat by Traya, and how useful it would be against powerful opponents is at least questionable.

Originally posted by Selenial
No, he was drawing on the most powerful Jedi Masters, when she shielded them he was cut off.

Perhaps, but I don't believe she would have won without Syo at least fighting the first Son.

We all use that cut content constantly, and it's still impressive seeing as she showed the speed to dodge all of their blades. It doesn't matter if she was actually better or not, Nihilus and Sion refused to face her until they knew they could strip her of her force identity, they were obviously terrified of her if two of the most big-headed Sith in the galaxy wouldn't try touch her.

He was drawing on hundreds of other Jedi Masters though, so that doesn't matter. And it's pure speculation that he was weakened by her shielding them.

Well as I said, she showed that she was equal to or superior to him in the cutscenes before and after the fight. Plus she had just fought through 3 Children to get to him.

Impressive, but she took them out 1 by 1 and as I said was on Malachor. Plus it's not as if they've got a plethora of feats. And she only dodged Brianna's blade in the video I'm watching.

Again, just because Nihilus did drain her doesn't mean he had to or that he and Sion couldn't have overpowered her without doing so. You're jumping to conclusions that they were terrified of her and weaker in TK.

Wow! legitimate debating on KMC?!! This hasn't happened in a long time...

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
his scene says otherwise bud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BBfADTmIvI

Um....She revived a dead Colonel tobin and a dead Hanharrr -_-

didn't the Barsen'thor get so much hype because of "beating down novices"?
(That was a joke)

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Neither were dead.

Brink of death though, despite knowing Healing trances, we've seen allies of the Barsen'thor suffer less and still die.

We've also seen the Barsen'thor bring Hollow Voice back from the brink of death.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Meanwhile Kreia TK's three(four is you count cut-content) Jedi High council members, utilizes a variety of force powers against them(including force crush) brings people back to life on the fly despite not having used her healing powers "in some time" can levitate lightsabers and give them a will of their own And in cut-content, she stabs herself with a saber and survives.

Oh she beat down all of the Exile's padawans/apprentices and "tanked" their strikes.

Kreia did catch the Masters off guard tbf and the other stuff was in cut content/mods. Her smacking around Mira, Visas and Brianna with TK is only impressive insofar as those guys themselves are impressive. Which isn't that much. Barsen'thor also has advanced healing and has considerably more powerful feats of TK than her and superior combat feats and accolades for her skill.

I'm looking at that Barsen'thor respect thread more, it wasn't made by any of you was it?

There are a lot of mistakes I wish to correct.

If you want, you can look through my vastly superior respect thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t586643.html

It doesn't have any of those stupid non-canon trailer feats.

There are two Barsen'thor respect threads, one on Comicvine by ShootingNova, and another here by Nephthys.

Shootingnova's respect threads seem a bit lacking to me.