Apprentices of Tyranus Free-For-All

Lol. Are we all electing to ignore the fact that EU Grievous has stalemated Mace Windu (Labyrinth of Evil), repeatedly given Dooku close sparring sessions (can't quite remember the source but I can dig it up), overwhelmed Obi-Wan Kenobi's defences with twenty strikes per second (Revenge of the Sith), defeated a duo of Asajj Ventress and Durge in a comic, ect. Then you have him losing to Ventress, and backing away from the likes of Eeth Koth in TCW. As far as I'm concerned it's a different version of the character altogether.

As far as sabers are concerned it's
Grievous > Ventress > Savage
Even adding in TK wouldn't help them unless they BFR'd him, because none of them have demonstrated Force crush or anything similar.

Originally posted by ILS
Lol. Are we all electing to ignore the fact that EU Grievous has stalemated Mace Windu (Labyrinth of Evil), repeatedly given Dooku close sparring sessions (can't quite remember the source but I can dig it up), overwhelmed Obi-Wan Kenobi's defences with twenty strikes per second (Revenge of the Sith), defeated a duo of Asajj Ventress and Durge in a comic, ect.

Nope, you're right. GG wins.

Ahsoka kicks GG's ass.

TCW General Grievous* Not EU Grievous.

TCW Grievous also stomped Obi-Wan in a duel, which, to me, is even better than his Hypori feat in OCW.

Are we not forgetting.... Tol Skorr??

Ok, any of the main trio would pwn him in a second ^^

Originally posted by Nargaroth
TCW Grievous also stomped Obi-Wan in a duel, which, to me, is even better than his Hypori feat in OCW.

Which episode ?

Originally posted by Q99
Are we not forgetting.... Tol Skorr??

Ok, any of the main trio would pwn him in a second ^^

Were forgetting a LOT of people dude.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Which episode ?

This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAe5Ogs6a-c

My feeling is that while Griev improved, so did Ventress. In the end I think she'd still have the small edge.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAe5Ogs6a-c

Hmm. Good one. (I hope you are counting Maul's lightning deflection with sabre and TK feat against Darth Sidious as well, since this one is un-aired episode just like that deleted scene)

I need to say ''but'' ... Obi-Wan defeated him via TK attacks twice in TCW as well. People saying that using TK attacks on Grievous is not fair, but he is using cybernetic limbs all the time and is that fair ? Because he only defeated Obi-Wan there via surprise factor with his cybernetic limb.

In total count at TCW ; Obi-Wan 2 - Grievous 1,

Nice catch from that un-aired episode though.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Hmm. Good one. (I hope you are counting Maul's TK feat against Darth Sidious as well, since this one is un-aired episode just like that deleted scene)

I need to say ''but'' ... Obi-Wan defeated him via TK attacks twice in TCW as well. People saying that using TK attacks on Grievous is not fair, but he is using cybernetic limbs all the time and is that fair ? Because he only defeated Obi-Wan there via surprise factor with his cybernetic limb.

In total count at TCW ; Obi-Wan 2 - Grievous 1,

Nice catch from that un-aired episode though.

Maul vs Sidious is a deleted scene from a finished episode, and it's not canon, not to mention Filoni said that Maul was no match for his former master. This is an unaired episode from an unreleased story arc, and it should be canon, otherwise I wouldn't have included it. Huge difference.

On a second thought however, this feat is probably inconsistent, unless we accept Emperor's explanation that Grievous was being cocky in his other fights throughout TCW.

I'll note Anakin and Kenobi seemed the most actually intimidated by Savage.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Maul vs Sidious is a deleted scene from a finished episode, and it's not canon, not to mention Filoni said that Maul was no match for his former master. This is an unaired episode from an unreleased story arc, and it should be canon, otherwise I wouldn't have included it. Huge difference.

I didn't say he was a match for Sidious. Holding his own for a while doesn't mean you can match with him, Dooku hold his own against Yoda, but clearly he is no match for Yoda without any amp or advantage.
And Maul was not even alone, Savage was helping Maul there.

As for the deleted scene, they certainly did something there, otherwise there was no reason to change the location of their fighting place at mandalore.

Originally posted by Nargaroth

On a second thought however, this feat is probably inconsistent, unless we accept Emperor's explanation that Grievous was being cocky in his other fights throughout TCW.

I agree that is inconsistent, but surely that is a win for Grievous's account.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
TCW Grievous also stomped Obi-Wan in a duel, which, to me, is even better than his Hypori feat in OCW.

So has Ventress.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So has Ventress.

In a duel? I doubt it, and she should only be Obi-Wan's equal. I also recall that Dooku regarded Grievous as the best duellist among his apprentices, and this should be correct based off EU/OCW/Utapau Arc feats.

In one duel she knocks out Kenobi in under 10 seconds while dueling Anakin at the same time.

Could you please post it? I don't remember that.

Can't find it on youtube. It's in the episode Nightsisters, about 4 minutes in.

Originally posted by ILS
Lol. Are we all electing to ignore the fact that EU Grievous has stalemated Mace Windu (Labyrinth of Evil), repeatedly given Dooku close sparring sessions (can't quite remember the source but I can dig it up), overwhelmed Obi-Wan Kenobi's defences with twenty strikes per second (Revenge of the Sith), defeated a duo of Asajj Ventress and Durge in a comic, ect. Then you have him losing to Ventress, and backing away from the likes of Eeth Koth in TCW. As far as I'm concerned it's a different version of the character altogether.

As far as sabers are concerned it's
Grievous > Ventress > Savage
Even adding in TK wouldn't help them unless they BFR'd him, because none of them have demonstrated Force crush or anything similar.

Actually, aside from no longer being a challenge for Dooku and Windu and a few low showings, TCW Grievous has been consistently depicted as being a challenge for jedi masters such as Kenobi. I mean, the only force users who didn't seem to struggle with Grievous were Ventress (who was on dark side nexus and and a place imbued with nightsister magic; though I'm not sure if the imbued nightsister magic would have benefitted Ventress as it would Talzin. I find it unlikely especially in a saber duel) and Fisto. Other than that, most of the force users who beat Grievous or gained an advantage over him, happened when they distanced themselves from him, otherwise Grievous's speed was usually good enough to make it hard for force users to use the force on him mid-combat. Majority of his fights with Kenobi had Grievous holding the upper hand until Kenobi found the opportunity to utilize the force on him. In other words, it required Kenobi, who is one of the greatest saber masters of his time, a ton of experience to finally defeat Grievous handily as of ROTS. I don't think Grievous is as terrible as most make him out to be, considering the trouble he gives jedi masters.

As for what Filoni said about Grievous, he depicted the exact opposite. However, he did depict Grievous as being a coward, running off when one gains an advantage over him, but that doesn't make him less threatening.