Originally posted by Trocity
Stops at Kisame
I'd say he can handle Kisame fine- Kisame was intimidated by Jiraiya, and a lot of Orochimaru's attacks don't give much to absorb, like the super sword, nor is drowning much of a problem, and he can stop most of Kisame's big ranged jutsu, even the super shark he used against Gai, with the iron gate thing.
I'd say stops at Itachi.
With Sasori giving the next-best fight, as his flexibility will allow him to respond best to Oro's variety of jutsu.
Originally posted by Q99As was Itachi but things have changed a lot since then. Kisame would kill Orochimaru or Jiraiya going by how Itachi vs Orochimaru and Orochimaru vs Jiraiya turned out. Kisame is the 4th strongest Akatsuki member after Itachi, Nagato, and Obito.
I'd say he can handle Kisame fine- Kisame was intimidated by Jiraiya
Originally posted by TheTyrant
As was Itachi but things have changed a lot since then.
Itachi was only worried because he'd already used his eye techniques repeatedly that day. Kisame was fresh and thought that unlike himself, Itachi could beat Jiraiya solidly.
Kisame would kill Orochimaru or Jiraiya going by how Itachi vs Orochimaru and Orochimaru vs Jiraiya turned out.
We never saw Jiraiya vs Orochimaru when they were both at full, but the sanin are supposed to be pretty even with each other
Itachi took down Orochimaru quickly... via genjutsu reversal, something Kisame doesn't have. Here, Orochimaru has the genjutsu edge.
Kisame is the 4th strongest Akatsuki member after Itachi, Nagato, and Obito.
I don't think he is... I mean, against biju, sure, since he gets amped from doing so, but there's arguments that others could beat him. Several have jutsu types that don't leave him much to absorb.
Sasori seems like a bad matchup for him, for example (and by the databook, Sasori has the higher stats). The explosive people are pretty dangerous to him as well, I'd think. Kakuzu... well, Kakuzu might be a bit stronger in base but his big chakra attacks are good eating, so Kisame's got that one...
Originally posted by socool8520
Didori could potentially beat Kisame with range and the mini bomb tech.
Yea, I think they're similar in level but Deidara's speciality matches up well.
Also Konan's another ranged fighter, enough tag bombs could do the trick. Not so sure there since she's not as specialized at it as Dei (less offense, more defense on her part), and chakra-eating can likely nullify her paper form to an extent.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, I think they're similar in level but Deidara's speciality matches up well.Also Konan's another ranged fighter, enough tag bombs could do the trick. Not so sure there since she's not as specialized at it as Dei (less offense, more defense on her part), and chakra-eating can likely nullify her paper form to an extent.
The tag bomb thing takes prep time though, and at the level it would take to really damage Oro, it would take a while.
Her Logia also seems quite weak. jiraiya was able to neutralize it with oil. I'm sure Oro could use fire to the same effect.
Originally posted by socool8520
The tag bomb thing takes prep time though, and at the level it would take to really damage Oro, it would take a while.
It took prep time to make several billion of them that lasted for 10 minutes of constant detonation.
She hardly needs that generally speaking.
Her Logia also seems quite weak. jiraiya was able to neutralize it with oil. I'm sure Oro could use fire to the same effect.
Oil made it stick together so she couldn't split paper off of her, that's all.
Orochimaru doesn't even have fire (he has wind and snakes), and she blocked Jiraiya's fire just fine, so that route is no good on multiple levels.
Originally posted by Q99
It took prep time to make several billion of them that lasted for 10 minutes of constant detonation.She hardly needs that generally speaking.
True but I don't recall how many exploding tags she has on person at any given time, an while agree it needn't be as many as was required to fight Tobi, it would still take a lot with his snake shedding tech and those BA gates.
Originally posted by Q99
Oil made it stick together so she couldn't split paper off of her, that's all.Orochimaru doesn't even have fire (he has wind and snakes), and she blocked Jiraiya's fire just fine, so that route is no good on multiple levels.
He had fire in the anime. That was my bad. Wind could be effective imo. Hard to manipulate paper when the wind is blowing everywhere. Also, on the wiki, it states that he has earth release and can create mud type clones. Mud could work as a weaker alternative to jiraiya's oil.
Originally posted by socool8520
Edo Tensei would also take care of Konan. Hash and Tobirama would be difficult for anyone to deal with .
Which requires multiple sacrifices around to do.
And if they're fighting at the lower level of the first resurrection, she may manage a paper seal attack thing.
Originally posted by socool8520
True but I don't recall how many exploding tags she has on person at any given time, an while agree it needn't be as many as was required to fight Tobi, it would still take a lot with his snake shedding tech and those BA gates.
She had a hundred billion against Tobi, she hardly needs more than a small fraction of that to do a lot!
He had fire in the anime. That was my bad. Wind could be effective imo. Hard to manipulate paper when the wind is blowing everywhere. Also, on the wiki, it states that he has earth release and can create mud type clones. Mud could work as a weaker alternative to jiraiya's oil.
A wind jutsu seems like it'd cancel out a single paper attack or so on, it won't shut her down long term or anything.
And mud seems like it'd be a good deal easier to remove than oil, and easier to block so it doesn't get on all her paper, thus it'd only clump up some.
Konan really doesn't seem that easy to shut down, considering how easy she can make more paper.