Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Honestly, looking back at the pages, Oro probably could handle most of them other than Itachi(obviously), considering he DID take on a slight weakened Tsunade and Jiraiya without his arms.
Not just that, but it's the way he went about things. It's as if he was 10-20 steps ahead of his opponents which served to lessen any power gap if there was one. Orochimaru was like the Count Dooku of Naruto canon. Real dangerous fellow that one.
Originally posted by Q99
Konan's stronger than a lot of the others, definitely harder to take out, why do you think he'd get past her but not others?
I think he'd get past her due to his ability to always have a fallback plan. She wasn't portrayed to be on his level in terms of pure genius. You said that she was stronger than a lot of the others. Who?
Originally posted by Q99
Konan's stronger than a lot of the others, definitely harder to take out, why do you think he'd get past her but not others?
She's not that strong. Remember how she was contested with by Ino, Shizune and a few other scrub Kunoichi? She's quite possibly the weakest in the Akatsuki, other than... Idk, Hidan, but he makes up for it with immortality and his curse jutsu.
Originally posted by Stoic
I think he'd get past her due to his ability to always have a fallback plan. She wasn't portrayed to be on his level in terms of pure genius. You said that she was stronger than a lot of the others. Who?
Agreed on the planningness.
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She's obviously stronger than Hidan and Black Zetsu.
Compared to Deidara, she has somewhat less offense (but who doesn't?), but a ton more defense and is more flexible. We know getting blow up til she's just part of a torso is something she can easily regenerate, as she's done that, so that's a nice edge, while Deidara really can't take her attacks in return. Mine fields are no biggie since she flies, etc..
Sasori doesn't have a lot of attacks that could even hurt her, being largely physical, and swarms of puppets are just bait for being taken down by paper blades. Once she blows up Scorpion he's in trouble.
Even Kisame arguably, since his defense is largely sword + regen, a constant stream of paper blades is something Samehada would have trouble defending against, and she doesn't give him much chakra to regen with in the process.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
She's not that strong. Remember how she was contested with by Ino, Shizune and a few other scrub Kunoichi? She's quite possibly the weakest in the Akatsuki, other than... Idk, Hidan, but he makes up for it with immortality and his curse jutsu.
Huh? You mean when her clone had already gone through a quantity of Konoha ninja and... then wasn't it like a whole group of the Aburame clan who proceeded to fend her off for a little? And it was still just a clone?
Did she even meet Ino and Shizune...? I thought that was one of the Pains.
There is the matter that her paper chasm could kill most ninja no problem even without billions of explosives.
Konan's definitely bellow the upper-tier Akatsuki, and below Orochimaru, but looks to me to be in the upper half of the organization. I mean, we saw how she did against Obito, taking his arm off and hurting him a good amount even before she busted out her ultimate technique.
Originally posted by Q99
Agreed on the planningness.---
She's obviously stronger than Hidan and Black Zetsu.
Compared to Deidara, she has somewhat less offense (but who doesn't?), but a ton more defense and is more flexible. We know getting blow up til she's just part of a torso is something she can easily regenerate, as she's done that, so that's a nice edge, while Deidara really can't take her attacks in return. Mine fields are no biggie since she flies, etc..
Sasori doesn't have a lot of attacks that could even hurt her, being largely physical, and swarms of puppets are just bait for being taken down by paper blades. Once she blows up Scorpion he's in trouble.
Even Kisame arguably, since his defense is largely sword + regen, a constant stream of paper blades is something Samehada would have trouble defending against, and she doesn't give him much chakra to regen with in the process.
Huh? You mean when her clone had already gone through a quantity of Konoha ninja and... then wasn't it like a whole group of the Aburame clan who proceeded to fend her off for a little? And it was still just a clone?
Did she even meet Ino and Shizune...? I thought that was one of the Pains.
There is the matter that her paper chasm could kill most ninja no problem even without billions of explosives.
Konan's definitely bellow the upper-tier Akatsuki, and below Orochimaru, but looks to me to be in the upper half of the organization. I mean, we saw how she did against Obito, taking his arm off and hurting him a good amount even before she busted out her ultimate technique.
Yeah, my bad, it was the Aburame clan. Whatever though, it was still only four scrub chunnin level ninja's that subdued her. And it was a clone, but her entire body is made of paper anyway, so a clone is basically the same as her real body. At least nearly, just like Haku, but even better.
Oh, and btw, any given one of the Akatsuki could have done WAY more to the scrubs of Konoha, and DID when they were revived. Deidara could have blown the hole damn thing up, Kakazu could have used his super fire-wind style to decimate a massive area of them, Kisame could have made a massive water sphere and drown them all/sucked out all their chakra, Itachi could have... done a lot of things to all of them(including genjutsu the hole lot at once, vaporize them with ammy, pwn them with monstrous taijutsu, cut them down with Susano'o, etc.), Sasori could have used his 300 puppets and personally killed them all, and as I said, Hidan might be weaker than her, but he's still got the curse jutsu and immortality. This makes her the least dangerous of them all. What has she done? Suffocated a dozen gennin at a time by wrapping their entire bodies in paper? Please, she's weak-sauce and you know it.
She would be unable to handle Kisame once he fused with Samehada and becomes fast enough to deal with Bee as well as strong enough, unable to handle Itachi(for obvious reasons, so no need to elaborate), unable to handle Kakazu who's fire-wind combo can easily shoot through a Kakashi water wall jutsu, unable to handle Deidara who can blow through her defenses easily(as he managed the same against the Tsukikage(who is a god of defense compared to Konan), and unable to handle Sasori, who has fire AND water jutsu capable of EASILY cutting through her defenses. Literally, all he has to do is unleash his fire jutsu, which melted through huge boulders in seconds, and her entire arsenal is turned to ash.
Btw, I don't remember her using a "paper-chasm" jutsu without the bombs. From what I recall, it took her over ten years to collect as many bombs as she did, and it was a one-time use thing that she could only use in the specific spot on ocean in the rain village. Care to show some scans saying otherwise?
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yeah, my bad, it was the Aburame clan. Whatever though, it was still only four scrub chunnin level ninja's that subdued her. And it was a clone, but her entire body is made of paper anyway, so a clone is basically the same as her real body. At least nearly, just like Haku, but even better.
What? Shino's father was with them, he's a Jonin and leader of the Aburame. The other two named ones there were Muta (special jonin), and Shino (plus an unknown). A clan leader, a Konoha 12 member, and another special jonin is... pretty formidable.
And they didn't 'subdue' her to boot, they held her off for a bit before Nagato called her back. In the anime, barely avoiding her attacks at times.
A clone, while physically similar in being made of paper, would have not nearly as much chakra for attack or defense.
Oh, and btw, any given one of the Akatsuki could have done WAY more to the scrubs of Konoha, and DID when they were revived.
And so could she.
Remember, she was on intel, not destruction duty. Grab and interrogate was her job.
We've seen her do bigger jutsu than all but a few of the others, had that been her task.
Even a simple 'giant cloud of paper blades' (ala what she used at the start of the Obito fight, before she pulled any big guns) going up and down streets would obviously cause mass casualties in short order.
What has she done?
Created a gigantic chasm of paper with billions of pieces, which can optionally be bombs. She did this *after* she'd already taken Obito's arm- Obito being one of the stronger Akatsuki.
Of the Akatsuki, only Pain's giant moves and Deidara's self destruct are as big. And of those, only Pain's has duration.
She would be unable to handle Kisame once he fused with Samehada and becomes fast enough to deal with Bee as well as strong enough,
Giant swarm of paper blades. Can't get to her without going through them and being cut up. Surround him with explosives, and boom.
Raw speed doesn't as matter much since she can fly- he can't pull something like he did against Bee, Konan can go strait up to avoid.
unable to handle Deidara who can blow through her defenses easily(as he managed the same against the Tsukikage(who is a god of defense compared to Konan),
Hit Deidara first with her higher speed blades. Use flight and maneuverability to avoid his big attacks. Deidara doesn't have too much defense against big clouds of attacks, and his smaller bombs are almost useless against her paper form.
Tsuchikage has a very different moveset than her.
and unable to handle Sasori, who has fire AND water jutsu capable of EASILY cutting through her defenses. Literally, all he has to do is unleash his fire jutsu, which melted through huge boulders in seconds, and her entire arsenal is turned to ash.
Jiraiya's fire couldn't. You think Sasori's is better? You're assuming fire's a weakness of hers, when it hasn't been shown to be.
Water's not particularly a threat to her either, as covered prior.
And once she blows up the puppet with said fire jutsu, then he's much more limited in what he can do to her. Konan has a very good chance in that fight.
Btw, I don't remember her using a "paper-chasm" jutsu without the bombs.
She didn't, but it shows how much paper she can control/create.
The paper wasn't there at the start of the fight after all, Konan used her powers to bring it all out.
From what I recall, it took her over ten years to collect as many bombs as she did,
Nope, amount of prep needed is unknown.
I will also remind you that Deidara has to prep his larger attacks as well, just as she does hers.
and it was a one-time use thing that she could only use in the specific spot on ocean in the rain village.
Nope, nothing said it could only be done at that spot.
Care to show some scans saying otherwise?
To begin with, you might want to back up your assertion of the limitations.