Doc Sampson VS The Thing

Originally posted by Bentley
When did the battle happen? How many upgrades did Thing have since then? Three? Four? 😱

Originally posted by Stoic
Seriously? Have you seen the wars that Ben has had with the Hulk? They have had fights that have lasted for entire issues if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by riv6672
You realize this means you were just talking to yourself?

Actually that's what you usually do anyway, its not like you're apt to change your mind or pay attention to anyone else's points.

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Ben has way better feats, experience, and skill if thats what's needed to "get a win" here, if only by sheer number of battles over Samson.

Thing would be lucky to survive five minute against that mindless Hulk.

Again, still weaker than Abomination, he'd would still go down against Namor (who is in Thing's class just fine).

People who give the win to Samson seem to think he's a pushover like Colossus mmm

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, still weaker than Abomination, he'd would still go down against Namor (who is in Thing's class just fine).

People who give the win to Samson seem to think he's a pushover like Colossus mmm

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, still weaker than Abomination, he'd would still go down against Namor (who is in Thing's class just fine).

People who give the win to Samson seem to think he's a pushover like Colossus mmm

Despite being weaker, Samson still fought Hulk for six hours. THAT is skill.

Besides, Samson's durability is a few notches above the Thing's, imo.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's some funny ABC comparison. Namor fluctuates wildly, Namor from his own series would assrape Thing. He was equal to Hercules in strength when he beat Abomination.

Thing has defeated Namor recently and through their history their victories go back and forth. I don't abide by the logic that has Namor always jobbing when he doesn't defeat Thing, with that logic Surfer could theoretically defeat Thanos because he "always jobs" against him 👇

Originally posted by krisblaze
Despite being weaker, Samson still fought Hulk for six hours. THAT is skill.

Besides, Samson's durability is a few notches above the Thing's, imo.

Samson should have a durability edge, but with his established fightin ability Thing will be dealing much more damage than he's receiving.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not enough upgrades to last against Samson.
That has never happened. Thing always plays up his speed against Hulk. In his most famous fight against Hulk in FF 112, Hulk landed only three/four hits on him and all but one were glancing blows. The last one actually sent Thing into coma.
Samson has fought Hulk for six hours straight.

Thing would be lucky to survive five minute against that mindless Hulk.

So a calm Hulk is class 75 or so?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Despite being weaker, Samson still fought Hulk for six hours. THAT is skill.

Besides, Samson's durability is a few notches above the Thing's, imo.

Depends. if they're just trading haymakers for 6 hours straight, it's more a testament to his durability/HF.

So even if Thing deals more damage, Samson will just heal up. Ben won't.

If you check out the fight you'll see Samson basically blitz him half the time.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So a calm Hulk is class 75 or so?

Calm Hulk doesn't exist on KMC.

On KMC the Savage Hulk is always around Thor/Hercules level (he's never been that strong 😉 )

Originally posted by Bentley
Thing has defeated Namor recently and through their history their victories go back and forth. I don't abide by the logic that has Namor always jobbing when he doesn't defeat Thing, with that logic Surfer could theoretically defeat Thanos because he "always jobs" against him 👇

Samson should have a durability edge, but with his established fightin ability Thing will be dealing much more damage than he's receiving.

But Thing has never KOED a full power Namor.

Samson should have a durability edge, but with his established fightin ability Thing will be dealing much more damage than he's receiving.

For SOME people.

He doesn't exist in comics too FYI.

abhi is one of those people. 😆

Who have actually read comics starring Thing and is not talking from just his pre-conceptions?

Because as always you'll start crying when I'll ask for these "alleged" skills showings of Thing. So I won't.

🙂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor has oneshotted Thing before. Recently everybody and his mother has beaten Namor. He isn't what he used to be.

But Thing has never KOED a full power Namor.

Trying to lowball Namor to make Samson sound better isn't the way to argue here.

Ok, so I guess you want me to find one of those kos so you can try to look for excuses for Namor being weakened? We can play that game but... Will it even matter? Do you really care about Thing vs Namor or you'll just side with Samson anyways?

Originally posted by Bentley
Trying to lowball Namor to make Samson sound better isn't the way to argue here.

Ok, so I guess you want me to find one of those kos so you can try to look for excuses for Namor being weakened? We can play that game but... Will it even matter? Do you really care about Thing vs Namor or you'll just side with Samson anyways?

Originally posted by Bentley
Trying to lowball Namor to make Samson sound better isn't the way to argue here.

Ok, so I guess you want me to find one of those kos so you can try to look for excuses for Namor being weakened? We can play that game but... Will it even matter? Do you really care about Thing vs Namor or you'll just side with Samson anyways?

Something has been bugging me about the "Samson vs. Hulk" argument, and I finally managed to dig out the comic that caused it. It's a Spider-Man comic where Samson gets infected with a "gamma virus" that releases all of his hostility and reservation, after which he promptly goes hunting for the Hulk (who just so happens to be in the same city at the moment...and this is Professor Hulk we're talking).

A no-holding-back, enraged Samson gets put down in 3 pages (4 if you count one panel when Samson initially attacks) by Professor Hulk.

I think there's some PIS in that and I still think Samson is a bit stronger than Thing...but I also think his strength is getting overhyped here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who have actually read comics starring Thing and is not talking from just his pre-conceptions?

Because as always you'll start crying when I'll ask for these "alleged" skills showings of Thing. So I won't.

You're joking right...? I've read 85% of the books that Ben has been in since his inception. And I've never seen Sampson beat him.

Ben has beaten HULK a small handful of times and KO'd him twice. He's beaten Namor twice as many times as he's lost to him and he's KO'd him more than once and he's never been one shotted by him that's BS. You may have been thinking about Ultimate characters, and it still never happened . You have seen the MARVEL 2-n-1 Annual #7 right? Sampson WAS in that issue, you may want to check it out. Ben has also went through most of the Avengers at once in one issue. And FTR Ben is mid CL100 Sampson is nowhere near that.

Sampson is NOT in Ben's class... end of lesson.

I liked that annual. Showed what Ben brings to a fight.