Originally posted by Psychotron
Lul what? Superboy has never beat down Prime unless you're referring to the Teen Titans PIS. And even then it was a team effort, not just Superboy. As for the Flash, he has a phobia (aka an irrational fear of something), he blitzed 3 Flashes in his IC Titans fight when he didn't have it. Hulk, OTOH, has been beat down by Spider-man.20? As I recall Spider-man KOed him in the early 2000s. If Hulk was so upgraded why did Sun God make him his *****?
Proof that Umar even used a shield? Proof of said shield's durability? Again, an attack that would melt a 17x Herc being (easily high trans) would at least affect a Skyfather, even if she did use a shield.
Stop bullshitting, you know very well that Marvel and Supes are always shown as peers. Hell, he lifted the the book with a Captain Marvel.
Btw, I'm still waiting for proof that Thor's lightning can suck elites into space.
In all honesty this has got to stop. Your entire reasoning process and set of arguments are nonsensical and fallaciousfacepalm.
First and foremost, the character in question is WBH not any other past version of Hulk and WBH is expoentially stronger than those other Hulk versions. The low feats of other Hulk versions are entirely irrelevant to the situation in question. Prime has been consistently harmed by characters of that are well below WBH strength level, krypto,flashes, superboy,teen titans etc. WBH on the other hand in his limited appearances was shown to be consistently unharmed by characters of such strength levels and even strength levels astronomically above that in his collission with Red She Hulk after she was amped to his own levels by the wishing well. The full capacity rule does not indiicate a use of high feats only, it indicates consistent portrayal levels and Prime while formidable and having many good feats was consistently portrayed as not beyond the likes of such people to hurt though always difficult to put down. These characters are well below WBH in terms of strength level and so WBHs attacks will definitely have a great effect on prime...certainly more so than vice versa.
And now onto your attemps to downplay the HOTM feat. This is just truly ridiculous by any standard. It is laughable that you are willing to ignore what is on panel based on extremely whimisical and flimsy reasoning. This is a feat in which Hulk with the residual shockwave of a mid air collision disintegrated Armcheddon (High Herald level being that took hits from a holding back WBH and has defeated Silver Surfer and Prof Hulk at the same time), Wendigo, Bi Beast (low herald class 100s) a ridiculously amped fing fang foom ( 17Hercs) and the entirety of the race of mindless ones portrayed powerfully enough to in conjunction overwhelm Umar in her own realm.......thats before getting to the fact that it destroyed the realm itself. The impressiveness of this feat involves multiple factors....ranging from the tremendous amount of force it takes to disintegrate herald+ level beings compared to even koing them, to the fact that the force that did it was that of its residual shockwave and thus only an infinitesimal part of the total force release at the epicentre (the totality of which Hulk took unscathed), to the fact that the force was acting on a huge number of characters and thus the force per unit mass acting on each character would continuously lessen. The feat is far far more than a mere space "cheese" feat as the most impressive aspects involve the destruction of the characters involved. As a strength feat frankly when all this is taken into account, it is all round more impressive than anyone Prime has (and that takes into account the fact that Hulk was responsible for half the total). I have explained this in great detail earlier in the thread, but the gravity of it is seemingly lost on you either due to willful ignorance or genuine stupidity.
Your attempt to downplay it by questioning why Umar survived should be a case study on fallacious reasoning. Firstly Fing fang foom was NOT just mentioned as being 17hercs in power....he was quantifiably measured as such within the comic using an in universe measurement system after being amped by the wishing well . You cannot simply dismiss that because you dont like it. It is absolutely definitive .Secondly, trying to discredit the Hulk feat by questioning why Umar survived is faulty. Despite their being multiple powerful characters involved, these characters did not possess the power set of Umar and so would not be able to utilize the same means of survival which she could. Umar's survival is largely off panel so we do not see exactly how she tanked the attack (though we do see the outline of what looks like a shield when she reappears) but we do know that she has the ability to make use of extremely powerful shields as well as a variety of other magical means. These are shields that have held back the entirety of the race of mindless ones for milllenia. The fact that she survived casts no aspersions on the quality of the feat.
Furthermore regardless of how she did it, Umar tanking the attack is merely a feat for Umar and not in anyway a denigration of the rest of the feat. You cannot make claims about what Fing Fang Fooms power level measured at 17 hercs, should be in relation to Umar's and what either Umar or Foom should have been able to survive in contravention of what the actual comic portrays, based off of what happened with Thanos and Odin: who are completely different and unrelated characters in a completely different comic .
It is somewhat analogous to me trying to claim that the explosion that Prime survived could not have destroyed a universe (despite the comics showing that it did) because Prime has been hurt by far less than universal destruction in other comics, and so if it did destroy a Universe Prime wouldnt have survived. In your case its even worse because your assumptions are not even based off of the characters in question but are instead based off of entirely different characters
The comic shows that even at 17 hercs Foom was not powerful enough to survive the attack and Umar was. Your claim that since attack melted Foom it should have at least have affected Umar is based off of your own assumptions about the gap in their power levels: an extraneous assumption which the writer of the comic clearly did not share. A proper and unbiased reasoning process would determine the gap in their relative power levels as well as the efficacy of Hulks attack based off of what the comic showed. Instead you have a prior assumption, uninformed by the actual comic in question, of what the gap in their relative power levels should have been and embed that assumption in your conclusion about the efficacy of Hulks attack as well the relative power levels of the characters that the comic showed...You subsequently want to disregard the comics portrayal because....it did not fall in line with your assumptions. The big problem is that your inital assumed premises are not self-evident and require rational justification (they are quite frankly completely wrong) Hence your argument is tantamount to question begging i.e circular reasoning and fallacious.
You cant simply ignore whats on panel just because the character isnt to your taste or what is shown is not in line with your pre-conceived notions. Thats not rational argumentation....thats trolling and is pretty much all you have been doing in this thread while farcically patting yourself on the back...The irony is cringeworthy. facepalm
