Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vader beats Maul because he's faster, stronger, more powerful, more durable, and has armor. Maul on the other hand has losing for the bast 15 years on his resume.Also lol@continuing to post that removed scene when Sidious would do the exact same thing to Maul.
Vader is not faster lol. That being said his reaction times allow him to keep up with the faster Maul.
I honestly feel like when you're dealing with characters like Maul, Vader, Dooku, Obi-Wan, Ventress and so on, combat/reaction speed feats become pretty negligible. If we were to literally go by who has the best feats, Obi-Wan has deflected omnidirectional blaster fire from thousands of droids simultaneously, which is a far cry faster than anything, say, Darth Maul has done. But when you look at how they're portrayed in duels against similar opponents, combat speed tends to be one of the least important factors. Which is essentially why I see characters like those listed above as more or less equal in combat/reaction speed. It's only when you started going up to characters like Yoda, or down to characters like Qui-Gon Jinn, that you start seeing disparities in speed.
He has.
An instant later the Force had him hurtling through a storm of blasterfire as every combat droid in the control center opened up on him at once. Letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there...Leaping girder to girder, slashing cables on which to swing through swarms of ricocheting particle beams, blade flickering so fast it became a deflector shield that splattered blaster bolts in all directions, his presence alone became a weapon: as he spun and whirled through the control center's superstructure, the blasts of particle cannons from power droids destroyed equipment and shattered girders and unleashed a torrent of red-hot debris that crashed to the deck, crushing droids on all sides.
Source: Revenge of the Sith
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Vader is more durable and is more powerful in the Force than either of them. But Dooku and Maul are more skilled with the lightsaber than Vader. But they are only marginally better than Vader. And Vaders strength would play to his advantage against Dooku.
I don't think Maul is more skilled than peak!Vader, especially not by any sizable margin.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vader is faster lol. Your move.
Lol.
Originally posted by Marco1907
I sense a Vader wank again.Alrighty ;
That was a good point.
"I was looking for a kind of swordfighting that was reminiscent of what was in the movies that we'd already done, but a more energised version of it, because we've actually never seen real Jedis at work, we'd only seen - you know - old men and crippled, half-droid, half men and young boys that had learned form these people. So, to see a Jedi fighting in the prime of the Jedi, I wanted it to be a much more energetic and faster version of what we've been doing."
It highly suggest, that even ROTJ Vader was inferior to Maul as a swordmaster.
Vader has far greater hype then Maul or Dooku. His non-duels showings are also far superior. But in a fights against Jedi or other Force sensitives, Vader looks poor. Even "Jedi random" like Kai Hudorra could notice Vader's lack of speed.
Vader - unlike Shaak Ti - couldn't find an advantage over Starkiller in pure lightsaber duel.
Vader couldn't hard-press rusty Kenobi.
Vader was loosing to Maul's clone.
Vader had a very hard time against Dark Woman.
Luke supported by Ben was able to compete with Vader during their fight of Mimban. And - as Marco pointed - his lack of speed enabled Luke to find advantage over him.
Despite his raw power in the Force (which was still great, even after Mustafar), and his physical advantage, he wasn't able to defend himself properly against enraged Luke during their fight on DS2. Luke's powerful blows exhausted him, and he almost fall on the round even before Luke cut off his hand.
Originally posted by Marco1907
http://www.starwars.com/video/the-starwars-com-10-best-fights
You know that's the second time I've seen an analysis of the SW Lightsaber fights on SW.COM, and both times they state the end of the Mace vs Sidious fight is still debatable if Mace legitimately won or if Sidious threw the fight.
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As for Obi-Wan deflecting multiple blaster fire, that is because of his mastery. As a master of Soresu, that is his speciality, Soresu style is created for deflecting blaster bolts, just like makashi created for lightsaber duels.
That is why he can even deflect a blaster bolt while his back is turned.
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On the other hand, Kit Fisto can speedblitz more droid or creatures than Obi-Wan, due to his superior speed and Shi-cho mastery. Style is important on this one as well.
Originally posted by McPThat was a good point.
"I was looking for a kind of swordfighting that was reminiscent of what was [b]in the movies that we'd already done
, but a more energised version of it, because we've actually never seen real Jedis at work, we'd only seen - you know - old men and crippled, half-droid, half men and young boys that had learned form these people. So, to see a Jedi fighting in the prime of the Jedi, I wanted it to be a much more energetic and faster version of what we've been doing."[/B]
Thing is TCW Maul is also half machine now. So not sure there's any logic left in using that as a reason for Maul being faster.
That being said, I don't believe for a second that Vader is faster than Maul. More powerful? Yeah. Faster? No.
Whilst Maul is clearly more mobile/agile.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thing is TCW Maul is also half machine now. So not sure there's any logic left in using that as a reason for Maul being faster.That being said, I don't believe for a second that Vader is faster than Maul. More powerful? Yeah. Faster? No.
Whilst Maul is clearly more mobile/agile.
But, Maul is not a half machine like Vader is. The reason Vader is slow because of his breathing apparatus and heavy armor. Maul just got new legs, he doesn't have breathing apparatus and any armor to make extra weight.
Obi-Wan also said Vader is more machine than man, you can't say the same thing about Maul.
