Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious couldn't ragdoll Marek, who is just a but above Vader.
Basing on the Dark Side ending, I believe he could.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I seriously doubt that. When Vader has been stated to be at least as Powerful as Dooku (overall) and 80% as Powerful as Sidious.
I believe, that his potential in the Force was reduced to 80% of Sidious.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Dude I told you before, that's Vader's TK and TP potential, of course Vader's TK and TP exceeds Dooku, Maul and maybe even Mace Windu's(...)
Surley, Vader is above Mace in terms of TK ad TP. Far above. It's questionable if Mace is above Maul in that department.
Originally posted by McP
I believe, that his potential in the Force was reduced to 80% of Sidious.
The quote didn't mention potential. But in any case by ROTJ Vader was like 50 years old. He should have fulfilled the vast majority of his potential. Excluding Exceptional Dark Side secrets which Sidious would never teach him anyway.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The quote didn't mention potential. But in any case by ROTJ Vader was like 50 years old. He should have fulfilled the vast majority of his potential. Excluding Exceptional Dark Side secrets which Sidious would never teach him anyway.
Well, that's also because Palpatine practically abolished the Rule Of Two and wanted to rule the Galaxy forever. Had Vader been trained by someone like Plagueis, things might have been a bit different, especially considering how the former would have learned powers like Force Drain, and the fact that Plagueis is "far too trusting" .
Originally posted by Nephthys
Vader vastly improved his saber skills after that point.
This. People seem to forget that Darth Vader grows stronger over the course of the Empire; by RotJ he is, by his own estimation, more powerful than he has ever been. He is certainly more powerful than the Vader that almost lost to Maul's clone.
That being said, I'm still pretty skeptical of Vader's ability to best Dooku. He may be more powerful in the Force, but would not stand a chance in a lightsaber duel, and it isn't always clear which advantage is going to decide the outcome of the fight.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
[B]Well, that's also because Palpatine practically abolished the Rule Of Two and wanted to rule the Galaxy forever.
That doesn't explain why Palpatine wanted Anakin as his apprentice, despite knowing and proudly acknowledging that he would far surpass him, or why he wanted Galen Marek for that matter, despite the very real possibility that his potential could far surpass Sidious's. Now if Sidious intended to just kill Vader as soon as he had grown too strong, you'd wonder what the purpose of recruiting him in the first place was.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Wat?
What, do you see the Luke Skywalker of the OT standing a chance against Tyranus? Yet he was, by Vader's own PoV, his father's equal with a blade. Remember that this Dooku is still a match for the Anakin Skywalker we see in RotS, a Skywalker whose dueling prowess Vader never seems to reach again. Various persons working on the duels of RotS label Anakin Skywalker as being in his "prime" while dueling in RotS, and following RotJ, Luke Skywalker's dueling feats are far below Anakin's for a long time thereafter.