Originally posted by Fated Xtasy.........
i lol'ed.Anyway my top ten list is:
#1. Luke Skywalker
#2. Sheev Palpatine
#3. Mace/Yoda
#4. Darth Bane
#5. Darth Caedus.
#6. Darth Vader(though caedus and him are more or less on the same level)
#7. Anakin/Obi-Wan
#8. Count Dooku.
#9. Darth Maul.
#10. everyone else.Honorable mentions: Zannah, The Exile, Krayt, etc etc.
Personally I don't see why someone would put Bane in the top 5 and Zannah below Maul. There really wasn't much of a difference between them in their fight.
Originally posted by ares834
Why Plagueis? His saber skills are frankly rather unsubstantiated.
He was a master swordsman, but even if his skills aren't up to snuff he was able to defeat a superior duelist so that's clearly something he can overcome with his... whatever the hell he did. And I tend to rate duelists based on their combat power, speed, strength etc rather than skill. And Plagueis is stupidly powerful, stronk and fast.
I mean Agen Kolar and Saesee Tinn are also master duelists. Being a master duelist really doesn't mean much. And while he does have good strength and speed feats, I have a hard time seeing why you would put him above guys like Dooku and Caedus both of whom have some crazy good saber feats to their name unlike Plags.
Originally posted by NemeBro
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🙁 lol i'm sorry but that's a hard one to figure out. Anakin & Kenobi are stated to be equals dueling-wise. prior to the events of RoTS Obi-Wan held his own against Dooku- well, Dooku did exceptionally well, but Obi-wan wasn't getting "owned" there - in the season 6 fight. I mean that fight was primarily a duel and Dooku wasn't "stomping" or "ragdolling" Obi-Wan. So take that for what you will.
Also i didn't add Tulak Hord or The HoT due to lack of information - especially with Tulak Hord.
Originally posted by ares834
I mean Agen Kolar and Saesee Tinn are also master duelists. Being a master duelist really doesn't mean much. And while he does have good strength and speed feats, I have a hard time seeing why you would put him above guys like Dooku and Caedus both of whom have some crazy good saber feats to their name unlike Plags.
Aren't Kolar and Tiin among the greatest swordsman the Jedi have ever produced? I mean, sure they can't really compete with the truly top 10 because they're not nearly powerful enough but I doubt they'd be embarrassed in pure swordsmanship. I mean, in terms of skill I wouldn't even say Bane is necessarily superior to them. He'd curbstomp them in a duel though.
Buuuut anyway, as I said I rate physical stats higher than skill. And I'd say Plagueis would beat those two based on stats. And he's shown to be able to compensate for a disparity in skill and ability and win anyway.
Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]In no order: Yoda, Luke, Bane, Sidious, Hord, Zannah, Plagueis, Hero of Tython, Hero of Umbara and last place is a toss up between Caedus, Dooku and Krayt depending on my mood.
i'd potentially put a lot of people over Zannah, Hord, Plagueis or the Hero of Umbara. Namely, Anakin, Katarn, Durron, Kas'im, Mace Windu (duh?).
Anakin is not better than Obi-Wan... Jeezes... He had hard time to defeat Asajj Ventress (and in some occasions he failed) and even Bariss Offee gave hard to time to him. Emokin fans needs to be stopped.
Just because he gain advantage from Dooku's weakness to kinetic attacks that doesn't make him at the same level with Dooku,
if he was so good as Dooku, Anakin shouldn't let Dooku to ragdoll Obi-Wan in first place while they were fighting 2 v 1.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Anakin is not better than Obi-Wan... Jeezes... He had hard time to defeat Asajj Ventress (and in some occasions he failed) and even Bariss Offee gave hard to time to him. Emokin fans needs to be stopped.Just because he gain advantage from Dooku's weakness to kinetic attacks that doesn't make him at the same level with Dooku,
if he was so good as Dooku, Anakin shouldn't let Dooku to ragdoll Obi-Wan in first place while they were fighting 2 v 1.
"On Attack of the Clones, I had to give them levels," he (Nick Gillard) said, "Sidious is a level nine . On this film, Obi is eight - he's moved up - Anakin is a nine; Mace is a nine, Yoda is a nine. They're up there with Sidious"
Page 133, The Making of ROTS.
Here it explains that Anakin becomes level 9 by turning to darkside:
http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=2965
Anakin is better than Kenobi, silly to argue otherwise.
Originally posted by Skybreaker
i'd potentially put a lot of people over Zannah, Hord, Plagueis or the Hero of Umbara. Namely, Anakin, Katarn, Durron, Kas'im, Mace Windu (duh?).
The Hero of Umbara defeated Anakin and Windu in a duel though. He also defeated:
Obi-Wan Kenobi
General Grievous
Asajj Ventress
Count Dooku
Savage Opress
Darth Maul
Ahsoka Tano
Barriss Offee
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Kit Fisto
Aayla Secura
Luminara Unduli
Eeth Koth
Plo Koon
Shaak Ti
Quinlan Vos
Yoda
😉
Also I'm not sure how Kas'im is above Zannah when he was losing to a weaker Bane than the one Zannah contended with and stalemated.
Tulak Hord is also noted as a legendary swordsman who slaughtered potentially thousands of Jedi.
Technical proficiency:
NOTE: List in no specific order
- Mace Windu
- Kao Cen Darach
- Kas'im
- Tulak Hord
Overwhelming effectiveness:
NOTE: List in no specific order
- Hero of Tython
- Luke Skywalker
- Darth Sidious
- Yoda
- Tulak Hord
- Count Dooku
- Emperor's Wrath
- Mace Windu
- Exar Kun
- Ulic Qel-Droma
- Revan
- Darth Malgus
- Emperor's Wrath II
- Anakin Skywalker
- Darth Nyriss
- Darth Caedus
Defensive:
- Obi-Wan Kenobi
- Darth Zannah
Honorable mentions:
NOTE: List in no specific order
- Meetra Surik
- Darth Krayt
- Jun Seros
- Darth Marr
- Darth Bane
- Raskta Lsu