10 best dualists

Originally posted by Arhael
"On Attack of the Clones, I had to give them levels," he (Nick Gillard) said, "Sidious is a level nine . On this film, Obi is eight - he's moved up - Anakin is a nine; Mace is a nine, Yoda is a nine. They're up there with Sidious"

Page 133, The Making of ROTS.

Here it explains that Anakin becomes level 9 by turning to darkside:
http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=2965

Anakin is better than Kenobi, silly to argue otherwise.

Nick Gillard also said, Obi-Wan and Anakin 'just matched each other perfectly' so he is inconsistent about Anakin's power, and if he was 9 while Obi-Wan 8 there is no way that Ob-Wan could beat Anakin in mustafar. It should be stalemate at best.

And these sources also says they were equals as well ;

Still, the fight continued, even as the collection tower sank slowly into the lava. And still, neither man could gain an advantage.

- Source: Revenge of the Sith Junior Novelization

Years of fighting side-by-side left these warriors evenly matched, and their exhausting duel crossed the fiery landscape of a Mustafar refinery.

- Source: Lightsabers: A Guide to the Weapons of the Force

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]Technical proficiency:

NOTE: List in no specific order

- Mace Windu
- Kao Cen Darach
- Kas'im
- Tulak Hord

Overwhelming effectiveness:

NOTE: List in no specific order

- Hero of Tython
- Luke Skywalker
- Darth Sidious
- Yoda
- Tulak Hord
- Count Dooku
- Emperor's Wrath
- Mace Windu
- Exar Kun
- Ulic Qel-Droma
- Revan
- Darth Malgus
- Emperor's Wrath II
- Anakin Skywalker
- Darth Nyriss
- Darth Caedus

Defensive:

- Obi-Wan Kenobi
- Darth Zannah

Honorable mentions:

NOTE: List in no specific order

- Meetra Surik
- Darth Krayt
- Jun Seros
- Darth Marr
- Darth Bane
- Raskta Lsu [/B]

That Bane and Krayt only get honorable mentions while freaking Revan is on the list is crazy. >:[

Surprised at no Malak or Nox from you.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That Bane and Krayt only get honorable mentions while freaking Revan is on the list is insulting. >:[

Originally posted by Nephthys
Surprised at no Malak or Nox from you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan doesn't have much hype in the context of technical proficiency but he is stupendously effective in lightsaber combat.

And Krayt and Bane aren't? Both have better lightsaber feats than Revan does.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They don't qualify for this topic, IMO.

I consider Nox a greater swordsman than Revan. She did defeat Khem Val as an acolyte and defeated a Sith Lord despite having her force power sapped. And it's said that her lightsaber proficiency matches her skill with the Force.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Krayt and Bane aren't? Both have better lightsaber feats than Revan does.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I consider Nox a greater swordsman than Revan. She did defeat Khem Val as an acolyte and defeated a Sith Lord despite having her force power sapped. And it's said that her lightsaber proficiency matches her skill with the Force.

He deserves honorable mention then.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The former two have decent hype and feats but they have done nothing that Revan cannot match or exceed. Revan's quick dismissal of an Imperial Guard individual convinced me that even a highly trained and martially skilled Jedi is fodder for him. Heck, Revan have history of striking down armies or large groups of opponents in battles.

The same applies to Bane and Krayt. Krayt easily blitzed 4 Imperial Knights (Like Imperial Guards, but with the Force) outside of his prime and Bane slaughtered 8 Umbaran Shadow Assassins sent after him. Bane has also disarmed Jedi Masters in one strike and moved fast enough to appear to wield a dozen lightsabers to Zannah.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The same applies to Bane and Krayt. Krayt easily blitzed 4 Imperial Knights (Like Imperial Guards, but with the Force) outside of his prime and Bane slaughtered 8 Umbaran Shadow Assassins sent after him. Bane has also disarmed Jedi Masters in one strike and moved fast enough to appear to wield a dozen lightsabers to Zannah.

Imperial Knights are also stated to be highly martial combatants but their effectiveness will depend upon their personal skill and command of the Force. They are not augmented by power of any higher being. So excuse me for not considering Imperial Knights to be on par with Imperial Guards.

As far as proficiency of Darth Bane in lightsaber combat is concerned, I am not doubting it. He handled Kas'im for a while which is really good performance IMO. I recognize him to be good enough to deserve an honorable mention which is not bad at all. Unfortunately, Darth Bane haven't defeated any (master) swordsman with his martial abilities. Disarming a Jedi Master is not a sound argument, a Jedi Master is not necessarily a prodigy of martial arts.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In no order: Yoda, Luke, Bane, Sidious, Hord, Zannah, Plagueis, Hero of Tython, Hero of Umbara and last place is a toss up between Caedus, Dooku and Krayt depending on my mood.

Including Krayt pleases me 👆

Though I would definitely say Caedus is the best of those 3.

Is this purely concerning skill, or is differences in force-augmented stats to be considered as well?

Last question, which era would you guys say has the overall best dualists?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Is this purely concerning skill, or is differences in force-augmented stats to be considered as well?

Originally posted by deathslash
Last question, which era would you guys say has the overall best dualists?

Probably the PT

The PT has the most well-established duelists, since even minor characters usually have 3 or 4 sourcebooks sucking them off and in-depth examination of their skills.

Originally posted by deathslash
Last question, which era would you guys say has the overall best dualists?

Spoiler:
KotOR

In terms of overall duelists I would have to say the KOR era jedi are more proficient duelists seeing as a normal mission for them might have a sith/mandalorian encounter. A jedi of the PT was reasonably skilled at dueling but that skill would get rusty because he/she is more likely to live a full life without ever confronting a saber weilding foe .

But if we are talking about the the crème de la crème of each respective era then:

PT>Legacy>=KOR

Sith in no order:

Sidious
Caedus
Plagueis
Maul
Dooku
Vader
Exar Kun
Krayt
Malgus

Jedi:

Yoda
Windu
Luke
Jacen
Jaina
Saba
Anakin
Obi Wan
Plo Koon
Hero of Tython

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Imperial Guard don't need command of the Force, their capabilities are enhanced by the Emperor himself. Imperial Guard need to be extremely proficient in martial aspects of combat and they are.

Imperial Knights are also stated to be highly martial combatants but their effectiveness will depend upon their personal skill and command of the Force. They are not augmented by power of any higher being. So excuse me for not considering Imperial Knights to be on par with Imperial Guards.

Is being empowered really better than earned skill and developed power?

I mean, Imperial Knights are recruited from the best the Fel Empire can get, and only when they meet the exacting standards of the Emperor are they given the rank. Their order is limited to about 60 members max, and sometimes less (as low as a dozen). We have seen multiple junior Imperial Knights fight on par with Jedi Masters and Sith.

I'm not too familiar with the Imperial Guard, but the Dark Side Elite were empowered by Dark Empire Palpatine, and those with earned strength consistently showed themselves superior.

Originally posted by Q99
I'm not too familiar with the Imperial Guard, but the Dark Side Elite were empowered by Dark Empire Palpatine, and those with earned strength consistently showed themselves superior.

Nah. By themselves they were considered the ultimate non force-sensitive warriors, and even the dark council feared them. They're only said to be amped when they're within Vitiate's proximity.

Originally posted by deathslash
Last question, which era would you guys say has the overall best dualists? the list is just about skill. But feel free to make a list for both if you want.

Hm, tough one.

I think... Clone Wars and New Jedi Order are at top.

Sidious, Yoda, Anakin, Windu, Dooku for CW.

Luke, Caedus, Jaina, Kyp, Lumiya, for NJO.

CW is a very saber-focused era, all in all, and a lot of the top combatants in the NJO have a strong saber preference, as well as being full of Skywalker-Solos, including the absolute peak.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nah. By themselves they were considered the ultimate non force-sensitive warriors, and even the dark council feared them. They're only said to be amped when they're within Vitiate's proximity.

Ah, so basically like... Kir Kanos types (to mention another formidable Imperial Guard), except with a force amp?

Originally posted by Q99
Ah, so basically like... Kir Kanos types (to mention another formidable Imperial Guard), except with a force amp?

I loved the Crimson Empire comics