Maul & Savage vs. 4 Council Member

Originally posted by Nargaroth
She only took an "army" of Magnaguards by using an electrostaff herself, which would give greater range to her attacks, and she was clearly losing before that. Still a good feat, just not that good, and it's not a showing of pure lightsaber prowess anyways.

Well yeah, but it shows she's versatile, plus she later used her saber along with the staff, which again, shows versatility

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Tell me, why are you so eager to take OCW feats into account only where Shaak Ti is involved?

I believe you mean't "Only when Shaak Ti is involved"

Get it right sheesh.

dumb jokes aside: If your referring to my comment about Neither Kolar nor Tiin having anything that puts them above Ti, then I'll say i wasn't thinking about Tiin's TK feat.

And hey, i'm using feats from everywhere. RoTs Novel, the Star Wars: Jedi series, TCW/A not just from OCW. give me some credit 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Council most likely.

I believe you mean't "Only when Shaak Ti is involved"

Nope, where works too.

If your referring to my comment about yadda yadda yadda[...]

No, sir, I am not. Pretty sure though you don't believe that AotC Anakin can flip space stations, or that Mace can casually dominate countless thousands of SBD's unarmed, not to mention Padawans holding up Star Destroyers.

I mean, if you do, I suppose using Shaak's OCW feats is fine. But that would also mean accepting that any PT Jedi Padawan could squash Bane with a Star Destroyer. 😄

Originally posted by NewGuy01
*snip

That was a joke 😐

I mean, if you do, I suppose using Shaak's OCW feats is fine. But that would also mean accepting that any PT Jedi Padawan could squash Bane with a Star Destroyer. 😄

It is a small price to pay 😈

Excellent.

Originally posted by ILS
I guess Shaak Ti > Plo Koon too, and by extension would be about on par with the likes of Ventress and Kenobi. Awesome.

She is on par with Obi-Wan and probably Dooku.

Windu and Yoda are the only High Council members I can see as definitively above her.

Her feats and hype match up very well and clearly puts her above the likes of Plo Koon and Kit Fisto.

Originally posted by AncientPower
She is on par with Obi-Wan and probably Dooku.

Windu and Yoda are the only High Council members I can see as definitively above her.

Her feats and hype match up very well and clearly puts her above the likes of Plo Koon and Kit Fisto.

She really isn't. Her accolades don't quite match up, and then you only need to look at her feats to realize that everyone you've just mentioned is a superior duelist to her. She's only more powerful in the Force than Kenobi and Fisto, probably.

Ti may be on par with Koon. But she isn't as skilled of a swordswoman as Kenobi is and her force powers aren't on Kenobis level either. She is a good step below him, but she is still great

She can summon Kinetite balls, something Vader could only do with a Kaiburr Crystal.

She was dueling Starkiller to a stand still and nearly killed him.

She tanked a marathon against magnaguards.

Is praised by Kenobi and Dooku.

Is a confirmed master of Ataru and Makashi, something she uses her amazing mid-combat acrobatic feats well with.

Proved to be > Aayla against Grievous and again was only beaten by grievous after aforementioned marathon.

Is stated to have almost endless stamina, can tank blaster bolts to the chest, then killing the mercs that did it and then Force Healing herself of said wound.

She can summon Kinetite balls, something Vader could only do with a Kaiburr Crystal.

She was dueling Starkiller to a stand still and nearly killed him.

She tanked a marathon against magnaguards.

Is praised by Kenobi and Dooku.

Is a confirmed master of Ataru and Makashi, something she uses her amazing mid-combat acrobatic feats well with.

Proved to be > Aayla against Grievous and again was only beaten by grievous after aforementioned marathon.

Is stated to have almost endless stamina, can tank blaster bolts to the chest, then killing the mercs that did it and then Force Healing herself of said wound.

Being beaten by Grievous within moments (but holding her own), tanking a blaster bolt, killing mercenaries and utilizing Force heal isn't going to elevate her to the levels of those you've mentioned. I hope I don't need to explain why.

Originally posted by ILS
[That's a variation of Force Lightning, right? Makes sense Vader wouldn't be able to do it without external measures, he'd fry himself by conjuring Force Lightning, which is why he hasn't used it.

You have missed the point, Kinetite is an incredibly powerful ability, far superior to the likes of Electric Judgement.

Originally posted by ILS Who isn't really an impressive duelist to begin with, especially not at the time Ti fought him.

Incorrect:

"After defeating Rahm Kota, Starkiller has proven his considerable mastery of Juyo and Shien. When he defeats the Togruta Jedi Master Shaak Ti, he is immediately seen by the Emperor as a considerable threat should Vader turn his sights to his master."- The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide

"Galen proves to be an equal of Vader in every way.. matching his skills with the lightsaber before dominating the Sith Lord with the power of the Force." - The Force Unleashed Prima Strategy Guide

Originally posted by ILS She essentially stalemated one with her lightsaber, and then fodderized several with a staff. Inconsistency/nonsense aside, it doesn't really elevate her to the level of anyone you've mentioned.

It is an excellent feat in and of itself clearly superior to the handling of Magna-guards that the Kenobi-Skywalker duo shows.

Originally posted by ILS Which is nice, I guess.

It is considerable in that Dooku viewed much of the Order with little respect, but considers Shaak Ti as a true Makashi master(though not of course equal to himself).

Originally posted by ILS Which is for the most part irrelevant to a discussion about how skilled she is exactly.

Makashi is stated to be one of the hardest forms to truly master, but the fact she managed to hybridize this with Ataru, a form that works almost in the opposite way, using acrobatics over the footwork that Makashi requires shows true lightsaber skill.

Originally posted by ILS Aayla isn't impressive to begin with. Her feats extend to briefly dueling evenly with Quinlan Vos, beating a Morgukai warrior... ect.

Aayla herself is not one of the top, you are correct, she is however quite impressive, the fact she fought well against Maul says a lot.

Originally posted by ILS Being beaten by Grievous within moments (but holding her own), tanking a blaster bolt, killing mercenaries and utilizing Force heal isn't going to elevate her to the levels of those you've mentioned. I hope I don't need to explain why. [/B]

They are impressive feats themselves and puts her in the upper echelons of the Council.

When the **** was Shaak Ti confirmed to use kinetite?

Not on Kenobis level sadly. I like Ti, and I think around Koon level is a nice place to put her

I have Shaak Ti a bit below Koon, but I have Koon above everyone but the big four Jedi.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
When the **** was Shaak Ti confirmed to use kinetite?

The comic book/graphic novel.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The comic book.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The comic book/graphic novel.

would it be this one by any chance?

Nvm, yep, but there is a previous panel I think.

Oh and let us not forget when she Tutaminis'd lightsabers...

The previous panel would be much appreciated if anyone has it.

Here is the other page: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67877/1483205-the_force_unleashed_043.jpg