That's impressive, However Jaden's TK is much more potent than that of Darth Karrid, as i stated before, he has used Telekinesis to bring down a pillar, has sent a boulder flying and was able to defend against two powerful clones, which are able to "feed" off one another's emotions, with his own Telekinetic blast.I will get back to you on that one. I need to do some rereading and gather some quotes before I make a proper reply.
That's true, however the text also stated that prolonged battle would not end well for him(I'm paraphrasing) as Soresu was Perfect for dealing with multiple opponents, but would tire the user. I might be wrong on that, so please correct me if i'm wrong.Actually the quote reads like this.
Even with the apprentice joining the fray he didn't waver¯the Soresu style, when performed perfectly, could keep numerous attackers with a variety of styles at bay indefinitely...or at least until exhaustion and fatigue forced Gnost-Dural to make a mistake.- annihilation
The implication of him making a mistake is not due to Soresu being labor intensive or even him having a lack of skill but Gnost's stamina is limited. But keep in mind that he was feeling physically sick from the nexus and this took place after then ten hour torture session. So Gnost wasn't fresh and yet he still held off the two sith lords for a long period of time and took out the apprentice.
That's wrong, EvanNova's assumption that Jaden only knows Shien, Ataru and Shii-cho is only half right. As stated earlier The Fast Style incorporates, Shien/Djem So, Soresu and Ataru into it's skill set, while The Medium Style is a combination of Niman, Soresu and Shii-Cho, Making Jaden a practitioner of Five of the traditional Lightsaber forms.
I may be wrong but I believed that Fast Style and Medium Style were new separate martial arts BASED off of the old Jedi martial arts. Taking elements from the for mentioned forms and mixing it into a new. Meaning that knowing Fast Style or Medium Style doesn't=knowing 3 classic martial arts. But if I am correct then Jaden should be familiar with ELELMENTS of several of the styles Gnost is bringing to the table, but not with the Forms themselves.
I will say that is incredibly impressive, though i feel i should note that Jaden was able to continue to fight after his fingers were cut off and was able to block the strikes of Runner(The Katarn clone) while simultaneously defending against Soldiers(his Clone) force lightning. though i should note he failed to stop them.Impressive but I still think Gnost's torture session puts him ahead of Jaden.
And one last thing I would like to point out is that Gnost is confident in his own abilities, he never questions them, where as Jaden struggles with doubts
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Actually the quote reads like this.The implication of him making a mistake is not due to Soresu being labor intensive or even him having a lack of skill but Gnost's stamina is limited. But keep in mind that he was feeling physically sick from the nexus and this took place after then ten hour torture session. So Gnost wasn't fresh and yet he still held off the two sith lords for a long period of time and took out the apprentice.
Ah, yeah i forgot about that, apologies, however he only took out the apprentice that he considered "weak" while the other two ran for the escape pods no?
I may be wrong but I believed that Fast Style and Medium Style were new separate martial arts BASED off of the old Jedi martial arts. Taking elements from the for mentioned forms and mixing it into a new. Meaning that knowing Fast Style or Medium Style doesn't=knowing 3 classic martial arts. But if I am correct then Jaden should be familiar with ELEMENTS of several of the styles Gnost is bringing to the table, but not with the Forms themselves.
Yes, you're right buddy. However it is my opinion, that the Fast Style allows the user much more "freedom" as the style itself compliments - or rather "covers", the innate weaknesses of Djem So(i.e Acrobatics and agility) By adding Ataru into the mix as well as Soresu and Djem So's sister form, Shien. So his two styles are able to adapt to almost any given situation and covers the weaknesses of the forms.
Impressive but I still think Gnost's torture session puts him ahead of Jaden.
If we're arguing about their respective pain thresholds, yes. I agree.
And one last thing I would like to point out is that Gnost is confident in his own abilities, he never questions them, where as Jaden struggles with doubts
Jaden doubted his abilities during the events of Star Wars: Crosscurrent, at the end of the novel, he no longer struggles with his demons.
Ah, yeah i forgot about that, apologies, however he only took out the apprentice that he considered "weak" while the other two ran for the escape pods no?
What happened was Gnost engaged Darth Karrid's last remaining apprentice and the two sith lords. He found a weakness in their attack strategy and turned the two sith lords blades against each other and used that opening to put down the apprentice. But after that he was already starting to get worn down and so he resorted to holding the sith lords at bay for as long as he could.
But on the note of Gnosts stamina, it really isn't all that bad. Yes he did were down quit quickly during the second battle but he was coming into that battle far from fresh. His first go best captures his stamina capabilities for me.
He ran through a large space station, then he fought his way through many soldier to the heart of The Ascendant Spear. He then engaged the two apprentices and Darth Karrid and kicked their asses and only at the very end of the battle did his stamina start to falter.
In the second battle against the Sith Lords, however, he started to fatigue almost right away, and I would attribute that to his previous torture session.
Yes, you're right buddy. However it is my opinion, that the Fast Style allows the user much more "freedom" as the style itself compliments - or rather "covers", the innate weaknesses of Djem So(i.e Acrobatics and agility) By adding Ataru into the mix as well as Soresu and Djem So's sister form, Shien. So his two styles are able to adapt to almost any given situation and covers the weaknesses of the forms.
Due to my limited knowledge of the NJO forms, I cannot argue weather your opinion is true or false. But since Gnost Dural knows all the forms he is cut out for what ever Jaden brings to the table. He is also adept at chaining forms together.
Gnost-Dural was forced onto the defensive to ward off the attacks, occasionally slipping in quick maneuvers drawn from the more aggressive Ataru form to keep them off balance.- Annihilation
Jaden doubted his abilities during the events of Star Wars: Crosscurrent, at the end of the novel, he no longer struggles with his demons.Its always nice to see a character conquer their weakness 👆
Well while the shitstorm that my Jaina Vs Zannah thread created rages on, why don't i actually respond to you as promised lol, sorry for taking so long boo.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
What happened was Gnost engaged Darth Karrid's last remaining apprentice and the two sith lords. He found a weakness in their attack strategy and turned the two sith lords blades against each other and used that opening to put down the apprentice. But after that he was already starting to get worn down and so he resorted to holding the sith lords at bay for as long as he could.
Ah my bad, thanks for clearing that up.
But on the note of Gnosts stamina, it really isn't all that bad. Yes he did were down quit quickly during the second battle but he was coming into that battle far from fresh. His first go best captures his stamina capabilities for me.
As i said before, Jaden has kept up with a number of opponents despite having to go through a great number of Stormtroopers and Dark sided force users. Also, Gnost did note that Karrid's apprentice were Raw and used the basic moves of Makashi, it's still impressive, as they did move with "astonishing strength, and speed" but they were not that well trained something Gnost himself notes:
"but they hadn't mastered the subtle art of allowing the Force to guide there blades. They were wielding the weapon instead of allowing it to become an extension of themselves." ―Star Wars: Old Republic Annihilation
He ran through a large space station, then he fought his way through many soldier to the heart of The Ascendant Spear. He then engaged the two apprentices and Darth Karrid and kicked their asses and only at the very end of the battle did his stamina start to falter.
Well of course, Dural's Skill with soresu and holding off Three opponents is incredibly impressive. However Jaden has done that and more. Given that he took on Reborn and cultist on Vjun(Rosh Penin and The Kathos twins), Taspir(soloing the facility and killed Alora) and Korriban were he made his way through the tombs full of Reborn and culist, Took down Tavion who wielded the Scepter of Ragnos as well as her saber and after he defeated her, she resurrected Ragnos who then possessed her body and fought Jaden Korr. I should also note that after Jaden defeats Alora and rescues Rosh Penin on Taspir he immediately heads to Korriban. As for his older self, Jaden despite being injured by the clones and blacking out due to their combined power, still gets up and chases them, nothing within the novel suggest he even got his wounds patched up - though for reasons that i won't disclose due to spoilers, those wounds are gone by the end of the book.
In the second battle against the Sith Lords, however, he started to fatigue almost right away, and I would attribute that to his previous torture session.
Yeah, that would make a lot of sense
Due to my limited knowledge of the NJO forms, I cannot argue weather your opinion is true or false. But since Gnost Dural knows all the forms he is cut out for what ever Jaden brings to the table. He is also adept at chaining forms together.
Here is a very rudimentary analyses of the NJO forms:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t597324.html
Should you have the time, you ought to give it a read. However as i said, it's very amateur-ish. but it does explain the forms well for the most part. I'll probably end up making a revised thread in the future.
Its always nice to see a character conquer their weakness 👆
Yeah, it's a good read for the most part. I recommend it.
I have no doubt that Jadens stamina is better than Gnosts is because Gnost is kind of old but due to him fatiguing right away in the second battle I wanted to prove that his Stamina is good but still no doubt Jadens is no doubt better
As i said before, Jaden has kept up with a number of opponents despite having to go through a great number of Stormtroopers and Dark sided force users.
(Rosh Penin and The Kathos Twins)
I would consider that equal to Gnost taking on the two apprentices and Darth Karrid because Rosh was just an apprentice and although he was amped more amped than the two apprentices and no doubt more skilled, Darth Karrid was helping them out with her Force powers when the apprentices got in trouble and the apprentices stepped in when Darth Karrid got in trouble.
I have a lot of books on my plate atm but if I may look into it in the future
Yeah, it's a good read for the most part. I recommend it.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I thought I was your boo.
Won't lie, that was adorable <3
Originally posted by WildBantha88
I have no doubt that Jadens stamina is better than Gnosts is because Gnost is kind of old but due to him fatiguing right away in the second battle I wanted to prove that his Stamina is good but still no doubt Jadens is no doubt better
Oh Bantha you're too nice. I'd like to talk more on chat later should you have the time bubby.
I would consider that equal to Gnost taking on the two apprentices and Darth Karrid because Rosh was just an apprentice and although he was amped more amped than the two apprentices and no doubt more skilled, Darth Karrid was helping them out with her Force powers when the apprentices got in trouble and the apprentices stepped in when Darth Karrid got in trouble.
I'll be honest with you, Rosh is not that impressive. He is virtually featless lol. Karrid's apprentices are in my opinion more impressive than Rosh. That's not me being nice, that the truth.
I have a lot of books on my plate atm but if I may look into it in the future
Oh yeah i forgot about your pet project 😉
I'll be honest with you, Rosh is not that impressive. He is virtually featless lol. Karrid's apprentices are in my opinion more impressive than Rosh. That's not me being nice, that the truthI will also admit that the two apprentices aren't impressive either, but Gnost dural doe treat them how a character of his level should treat amateurs like them
Wow, 600+ views on our debate thread. that's awesome 😄
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Something I havnt brought up yet is Gnost's speed. I wonder if Jaden could keep up with him
hmm, Jaden himself is a practitioner of Force Speed and has used it to slow down the world around him.
"He fell into the Force as the scout ship’s wings flared and the weapons fired. To him, events seemed to slow. The lines of the ship’s lasers extended outward from its guns, slowly reaching across space, crayon lines drawn by an invisible child."
- Star Wars: Riptide.
Again, keep in mind that he was wearing a cumbersome spacesuit that limited his mobility and yet, he was still able to deflect the fire of the ship with no difficulty. I'd imagine he would be quite fast if he were to use Force Speed.
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Also Jaden has kept up with Alora(a practitioner of the Fast Style) after he went through the Taspir Base.(The video is using Skin mods, sorry for that)
watch?v=8RWbJ3QZrOY
Impressive, but Gnost Dural ran through a space station filled with thousands, if not millions of soldiers, so fast that all of them just thought that their minds were playing tricks on them.
Gnost-Dural was little more than a blur of motion and movement as he raced through the corridors of Reaver Station. The imperial soldiers he flew past reacted with a mix of surprise, curiosity, and alarm, but he came and went so fast that none of them fully realized what had happened. Left in his wake, they exchanged a few puzzled glances with their friends, then laughed off the odd but seemingly harmless encounter as their minds convinced them that the person who'd just ran past couldn't possible have been moving that fast. - annihilation
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Gnost-Dural was little more than a blur of motion and movement as he raced through the corridors of Reaver Station. The imperial soldiers he flew past reacted with a mix of surprise, curiosity, and alarm, [b] but he came and went so fast that none of them fully realized what had happened. Left in his wake, they exchanged a few puzzled glances with their friends, then laughed off the odd but seemingly harmless encounter as their minds convinced them that the person who'd just ran past couldn't possible have been moving that fast. - annihilation [/B]
Impressive, however Jaden speed is nothing to scoff at, despite being hindered by Rosh Penin with an APS-19 Battle droid(using a saber) and having to go through the training grounds of Yavin IV, Jaden was still able to catch up with Rosh. this is during their first lessons, though Force speed is not mention, it is something that i feel should be noted.
watch?v=q-schEhDWwc
Skip to 1:40 and watch until 2:21
Note: I'll continue with a more in depth counter-argument later on today, have some stuff that requires my attention. sorry for the inconvenience
Originally posted by WildBantha88
I saw nothing in that video that puts Jaden anywhere close to Gnost's speed. Keep tryin bud, 😛
lol, Don't worry bantha, I have faith that i will bring ya down a notch 😉.
Anyway, the video showed that despite being hindered by Rosh, Jaden was still able to catch up with him despite Rosh having a significant head start.
Perhaps Jaden may not match Gnost's speed, but he is a practitioner of it[Force speed] and has other abilities at his disposal to combat Gnost. Force repulse and his potent TK, i have no doubt that Gnost himself is a powerful practitioner of TK, however Jaden is far more impressive in that regard.
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As duelists, I feel we're underrating Jaden a bit, Gnost is a generalist, using and chaining all of the seven forms in sequence, however it seems that his preferred forms are Soresu, Djem So and Juyo. While Jaden himself is a practitioner of The fast style and Medium Style, two hybrid forms incorporating various elements from the old traditional Lightsaber forms.
Note: The forms that are in bold are the ones that Gnost has used before.
Soresu: Soresu would not be something Jaden would struggle with himself as the Fast Style is the defensive form of the NJO and carries traces of Soresu as does the Medium Style
Djem So:: Djem So would not be something that would catch Jaden off guard as The fast style incorporates Shien/Djem So into it's arsenal and Jaden was trained by Kyle Katarn, the battlemaster of the NJO and a master of Djem So and Jaden himself is a skilled practitioner of Shien.
Ataru: Like with Djem So and Soresu, Ataru is also incorporated into the fast style and Jaden himself demonstrates his prowess with it against Alora and the Jedi master Relin.
Niman: The medium style incorperates Niman along with Shii-Cho into it's sequences and the form it self is considered the "Jack-Of-All-Trades" style of the NJO.
Juyo: This is one i find to be a bit difficult, Jaden has faced highly aggressive fighters such as Alora & Marka Ragnos however, Alora was a practitioner of the fast style and Ragnos lived in an era were swords were still common so his style would be highly unpredictable, He has also fought against the Alpha clone who was relentless in his assault(which could have been Juyo)
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Makashi is a form he recognized, granted he might know it, however he does not showcase his prowess with the form in the book(not to my knowledge at least, please correct me if am wrong)
Shii-Cho is a form most are expected to learn, yet few continue to use after apprenticeship/initiation, so while he may know it, he is not a master of the form, nor has he showcased his prowess with it(again correct me if i am wrong)
If anything, Gnost would be the one unfamiliar with Jaden's form due to the hybrid nature of The Fast and Medium styles.
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Ugh try as still might this looks so damn disorganized. Sorry about that Bantha & Viewers.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
lol, Don't worry bantha, I have faith that i will bring ya down a notch 😉.Anyway, the video showed that despite being hindered by Rosh, Jaden was still able to catch up with him despite Rosh having a significant head start.
Perhaps Jaden may not match Gnost's speed, but he is a practitioner of it[Force speed] and has other abilities at his disposal to combat Gnost. Force repulse and his potent TK, i have no doubt that Gnost himself is a powerful practitioner of TK, however Jaden is far more impressive in that regard.
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As duelists, I feel we're underrating Jaden a bit, Gnost is a generalist, using and chaining all of the seven forms in sequence, however it seems that his preferred forms are Soresu, Djem So and Juyo. While Jaden himself is a practitioner of The fast style and Medium Style, two hybrid forms incorporating various elements from the old traditional Lightsaber forms.
Note: The forms that are in bold are the ones that Gnost has used before.
[b]Soresu:
Soresu would not be something Jaden would struggle with himself as the Fast Style is the defensive form of the NJO and carries traces of Soresu as does the Medium StyleDjem So:: Djem So would not be something that would catch Jaden off guard as The fast style incorporates Shien/Djem So into it's arsenal and Jaden was trained by Kyle Katarn, the battlemaster of the NJO and a master of Djem So and Jaden himself is a skilled practitioner of Shien.
Ataru: Like with Djem So and Soresu, Ataru is also incorporated into the fast style and Jaden himself demonstrates his prowess with it against Alora and the Jedi master Relin.
Niman: The medium style incorperates Niman along with Shii-Cho into it's sequences and the form it self is considered the "Jack-Of-All-Trades" style of the NJO.
Juyo: This is one i find to be a bit difficult, Jaden has faced highly aggressive fighters such as Alora & Marka Ragnos however, Alora was a practitioner of the fast style and Ragnos lived in an era were swords were still common so his style would be highly unpredictable, He has also fought against the Alpha clone who was relentless in his assault(which could have been Juyo)
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Makashi is a form he recognized, granted he might know it, however he does not showcase his prowess with the form in the book(not to my knowledge at least, please correct me if am wrong)
Shii-Cho is a form most are expected to learn, yet few continue to use after apprenticeship/initiation, so while he may know it, he is not a master of the form, nor has he showcased his prowess with it(again correct me if i am wrong)
If anything, Gnost would be the one unfamiliar with Jaden's form due to the hybrid nature of The Fast and Medium styles.
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Ugh try as still might this looks so damn disorganized. Sorry about that Bantha & Viewers. [/B]
*cracks his knuckles and neck* okay lets got to work.
I disagree with a lot of what you have said. First off I believe that Gnost Durals main style is Niman. In my opinion he uses Niman as the default style when ever he goes into a fight and then he switches styles to adapt to the needs of the battle.
In almost all of his fights Gnost has been depicted using the Force in tandem with his lightsaber. Example being throwing his lightsaber, Force Pushing Darth Karrid, Force Wave against the apprentices, and many examples of him throwing soldiers about with the Force. And that is one of the core elements of Niman.
And also with a fighting style like his own, one that switches styles all the time, I believe Niman would be the perfect starting point. It is the style that has no weaknesses and therefor would be a good opening style for any situation.
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As far as Force Speed goes, Jaden seeing the laser fire slow and stretch is very impressive, But Gnost has proven his speed multiple times. The space station feat was only the beginning
As you pointed out for me Karrids apprentices had enhanced strength and SPEED. And in this next quote, one of those apprentices is in the room with him.
Gnost-Dural reacted with the superior reflexes and blinding speed of a true Jedi Master, already in motion before the others even realized something had gone wrong. -annihilation
And then there is his less than a second feat which I am sure you are familiar with.
The apprentice blocked two overhand strikes, but then overreacted when the Kel Dor feigned a third, leaving himself vulnerable down low. The Jedi turned his wrist and spun to his left, reversing the direction of the blade too quickly for the apprentice to recover, and removed him from the battle with a deep slash across the midsection that nearly severed the man in two.
The entire sequence took less than a second...
- annihilation
Jaden may be a skilled practitioner of Force Speed but he is not on the level of Gnost Dural, as far as that power goes at least
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Now as for Jadens fighting forms go I would like to point out that Jaden doesn't actually know any of the forms Gnost knows except for Form 5 IIRC. Jaden knows fast and medium style which carry ELEMENTS of the forms that Gnost uses, but Jaden cannot wield Soresu or Ataru for example, he can wield Fast Style.
But something I would like to point out is that since the NJO forms are based off of the classical jedi forms both Jaden and Gnost would be able to recognize elements from the other persons fighting styles.
Now lets talk about the styles that you were mentioning.
Soresu. I have already provided a quote that stated that Gnost's Soresu is perfectly executed, nearly impenetrable, and can hold off multiple opponents with a variety of styles at once. I think its pretty clear that Gnost has the superior defensive capabilities.
Djemn So: now I believe this is the classical style that Jaden knows correct? If so then yea Jaden shouldn't be familiar with the style and know better how to combat it than the other styles.
Ataru: This style is interesting for Gnost Dural. It seems that Gnost was able to slip in moves from Ataru while simultaneously using Soresu and the only other time that Gnost used it was when he was hoping to put a quick end to the battle, no doubt because he wasn't feeling so hot after the torture session.
Niman: *see what I had to say about this style above*
Juyo: IMO this style is going to be the most dangerous for Jaden to combat. Gnost Dural specifically tooled this style towards lightsaber dueling and that would make it very dangerous for Jaden when Gnost decides to whip it out.
Makashi: Gnost did recognize the stlye but there is also this quote when gnost was talking to one of Karrids apprentices (idk why this isn't in my respect thread.)
Gnost Dural recognized the weapon he had forged while still a padawan on Coruscant. She had witnessed his lightsaber skills during their battle; now it seemed she was intent on finding some explanation in his weapon. Gnost Dural sensed and sympathized with her confusion; she had been raised to believe the power of the dark side dwarfed that of the light, and she was unable to convince herself that a jedi could have so easily bested her in combat without some kind of inherit advantage.
"I could teach you how to use that." He said.
Startled, she glanced up at the prisoner, taking a moment to realize he was drawing on the Force to "see" her.
"I know how to use a lightsaber." She said defensively.
"I could teach you how to use it properly," He explained. "Not as a clumsy weapon guided by hate and anger, but as an extension of yourself that protects and defends those in need."
-Annihilation Page 306
Gnost Dural said that he could teach the apprentice (a Makashi practitioner) how to wield the lightsaber properly.
Shi Cho: 👆
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One of Gnosts advantages is that he knows all seven forms where as Jaden only knows 3 forms. Even though those styles are based off of the styles that Gnost knows, that doesn't make Jaden know or even familiar with Gnosts forms. He can recognize elements from them and Gnost can do the same in Jadens style but in the end of the Gnost knows more forms.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
*cracks his knuckles and neck* okay lets got to work.
So, the beast is unleashed? lol finally. Sorry for taking so long btw, But i'm back to settle this.
I disagree with a lot of what you have said. First off I believe that Gnost Durals main style is Niman. In my opinion he uses Niman as the default style when ever he goes into a fight and then he switches styles to adapt to the needs of the battle.
I was going by what Gnost used more in battle, but given that he does chain his forms, I'm guessing that Niman is the logical choice.
And also with a fighting style like his own, one that switches styles all the time, I believe Niman would be the perfect starting point. It is the style that has no weaknesses and therefor would be a good opening style for any situation.
Yeah, I agree with that being his style 👆
As far as Force Speed goes, Jaden seeing the laser fire slow and stretch is very impressive, But Gnost has proven his speed multiple times. The space station feat was only the beginningAs you pointed out for me Karrids apprentices had enhanced strength and SPEED. And in this next quote, one of those apprentices is in the room with him.
Gnost-Dural reacted with the superior reflexes and blinding speed of a true Jedi Master, already in motion before the others even realized something had gone wrong. -annihilation
Jaden has a similar speed. though with they were not force sensitives.
"The Weequay spun around when they heard Jaden ignite his lightsaber, their eyes wide in the nest of their wrinkled, leathery skin. Jaden was on them before they could aim their blasters, and a downward slash, spin, and backslash left both of them holding only a smoking half of a weapon. The crowd milled in panic. Blasterfire from near the sabacc table sounded above the screams and shouts." - SW:Crosscurrent
The apprentice blocked two overhand strikes, but then overreacted when the Kel Dor feigned a third, leaving himself vulnerable down low. The Jedi turned his wrist and spun to his left, reversing the direction of the blade too quickly for the apprentice to recover, and removed him from the battle with a deep slash across the midsection that nearly severed the man in two.The entire sequence took less than a second...
- annihilationJaden may be a skilled practitioner of Force Speed but he is not on the level of Gnost Dural, as far as that power goes at least
Jaden's blade has even moved in a blur(though this is always common in the SW universe)
"Jaden's lightsaber was a humming blur of green, deflecting shot after shot. He angled the deflected shots to hit the ceiling and it soon looked like the cratered surface of a moon." - SW;Crosscurrent
And then there is his less than a second feat which I am sure you are familiar with.
And again(why the hell don't I have these in my Respect thread?)
"Wyyrlok let the tape play, and they watched the combat between Jaden Korr and the Solusar clone. The lightsabers, green and red, made blurred wedges in the air." - SW: Riptide
Perhaps Gnost is above Jaden in terms of speed, but i wouldn't say by much. At least not to a point where Gnost would blitz Jaden
Now as for Jadens fighting forms go I would like to point out that Jaden doesn't actually know any of the forms Gnost knows except for Form 5 IIRC. Jaden knows fast and medium style which carry ELEMENTS of the forms that Gnost uses, but Jaden cannot wield Soresu or Ataru for example, he can wield Fast Style.
I was not implying that he knew those forms, but rather, I was saying that Jaden's knowledge of The Fast Style and Medium Style which gives him familiarity with five of the 7 forms. Therefore, he would not struggle with the majority of them.
But something I would like to point out is that since the NJO forms are based off of the classical jedi forms both Jaden and Gnost would be able to recognize elements from the other persons fighting styles.
Perhaps, but the NJO doesn't seem to have a real structure when it comes to the forms. The Styles of the NJO are a base which the duelist can build upon, thus allowing for a more personal fighting style to accommodate the user's weaknesses and/or strengths.
"As you train you'll learn additional fighting styles, changing styles during combat can surprise you're opponent allowing you to gain the upper-hand"
- Star Wars: Jedi Academy(Kyle Katarn)
Now lets talk about the styles that you were mentioning.Soresu. I have already provided a quote that stated that Gnost's Soresu is perfectly executed, nearly impenetrable, and can hold off multiple opponents with a variety of styles at once. I think its pretty clear that Gnost has the superior defensive capabilities.
That's a bit arguable, Jaden may have lost to Alpha, but the clones are stated time and time again to be highly advanced force users and highly skilled duelists. With a quote "remarkably high Midi-cholorian count" and have also "demonstrated mastery of basic to moderately advanced force techniques"
Not to mention, this clone is stated be bigger and Physically stronger than Kam Solusar.
Quote's are on hand if you need them.
Djemn So: now I believe this is the classical style that Jaden knows correct? If so then yea Jaden shouldn't be familiar with the style and know better how to combat it than the other styles.
Jaden was trained by a Djem So specialist, He would be highly familiar with that form dude as i said above, because the Fast Style incorporates Djem So/Shien into its sequences, Jaden would be familiar with this form.
Ataru: This style is interesting for Gnost Dural. It seems that Gnost was able to slip in moves from Ataru while simultaneously using Soresu and the only other time that Gnost used it was when he was hoping to put a quick end to the battle, no doubt because he wasn't feeling so hot after the torture session.
As i said before, In his fight with the Kam Clone and he slips from the defense nature of The Fast Style/Soresu and lands the acrobatic offense granted to him by Soresu. In the video with his against Alora, you'll see him incorporate the Djem So and Ataru elements of The Fast Style: Answering Alora with a strike each time she attacked and utilized acrobatic moves during that fight.
Niman: *see what I had to say about this style above*
Juyo: IMO this style is going to be the most dangerous for Jaden to combat. Gnost Dural specifically tooled this style towards lightsaber dueling and that would make it very dangerous for Jaden when Gnost decides to whip it out.
Yeah, it could be difficult, but if Jaden could deal with the unorthodox style that Ragnos utilized - which because of the era in which Ragnos lived in, means that the swords styles were HIGHLY different from any of the saber forms and thanks to this quote:
"A stalwart defender of the Sith Empire, the Juggernaut embodies the teachings of Marka Ragnos, charging into enemies with heavy armor and pure rage." -SWTOR Holonet
Makashi: Gnost did recognize the stlye but there is also this quote when gnost was talking to one of Karrids apprentices (idk why this isn't in my respect thread.)Gnost Dural recognized the weapon he had forged while still a padawan on Coruscant. She had witnessed his lightsaber skills during their battle; now it seemed she was intent on finding some explanation in his weapon. Gnost Dural sensed and sympathized with her confusion; she had been raised to believe the power of the dark side dwarfed that of the light, and she was unable to convince herself that a jedi could have so easily bested her in combat without some kind of inherit advantage.
"I could teach you how to use that." He said.
Startled, she glanced up at the prisoner, taking a moment to realize he was drawing on the Force to "see" her.
"I know how to use a lightsaber." She said defensively.
"I could teach you how to use it properly," He explained. "Not as a clumsy weapon guided by hate and anger, but as an extension of yourself that protects and defends those in need."
-Annihilation Page 306
Gnost Dural said that he could teach the apprentice (a Makashi practitioner) how to wield the lightsaber properly.
I don't think that necessarily means he wanted to teach her how to correctly use Makashi, but rather, he wanted to show her how to use the force to guide her weapon and let go of the rage/Dark-Side. Though again that doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't a practitioner of Makashi. I believe Drew Karpshyn confirmed that he was a user of all 7 forms. That said, we don't know how good Gnost is with Makashi nor does he have any showings with it(correct me if i am wrong)
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One of Gnosts advantages is that he knows all seven forms where as Jaden only knows 3 forms. Even though those styles are based off of the styles that Gnost knows, that doesn't make Jaden know or even familiar with Gnosts forms. He can recognize elements from them and Gnost can do the same in Jadens style but in the end of the Gnost knows more forms.
That's impressive, But i already made my case about Jaden's familiarity with the forms. Granted he may not know all five of them, but he won't be taken by surprise because of of the elements that grant him that familiarity.
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