Jaden has a similar speed. though with they were not force sensitives."The Weequay spun around when they heard Jaden ignite his lightsaber, their eyes wide in the nest of their wrinkled, leathery skin. Jaden was on them before they could aim their blasters, and a downward slash, spin, and backslash left both of them holding only a smoking half of a weapon. The crowd milled in panic. Blasterfire from near the sabacc table sounded above the screams and shouts." - SW:Crosscurrent
Jaden's blade has even moved in a blur(though this is always common in the SW universe)
"Jaden's lightsaber was a humming blur of green, deflecting shot after shot. He angled the deflected shots to hit the ceiling and it soon looked like the cratered surface of a moon." - SW;Crosscurrent
And then there is his less than a second feat which I am sure you are familiar with.And again(why the hell don't I have these in my Respect thread?)
"Wyyrlok let the tape play, and they watched the combat between Jaden Korr and the Solusar clone. The lightsabers, green and red, made blurred wedges in the air." - SW: Riptide
Perhaps Gnost is above Jaden in terms of speed, but i wouldn't say by much. At least not to a point where Gnost would blitz Jaden
So Jaden can move much faster than thugs, create a blur with his lightsaber, and slow time to see cannon fire slow and stretch.
Gnost Dural can move so fast that soldiers couldn't even realize what had happened, react faster than a sith apprentice could realize something had gone wrong, and strike 4 times in less than a second.
WARNING: The following argument may be unorthodox and people might not like it.
I personally take lightsaber "blur" feats as unimpressive and here is why. The lightsaber is made of plasma and as the name suggest, gives off light. Now unless light in SW is different than light in real life anyone can make the blade appear as a blur. I have a cool ass lightsaber and even I, some 18 year old no martial arts training no body, can make the blade appear as a blur when im swinging it around like a mad man fighting of hordes of imaginary sith lords. (Yea im still a kid at heart). Sorry im not tying to cheap shot your blur feat, its something that has been on my mind for a while now.
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That's a bit arguable, Jaden may have lost to Alpha, but the clones are stated time and time again to be highly advanced force users and highly skilled duelists. With a quote "remarkably high Midi-cholorian count" and have also "demonstrated mastery of basic to moderately advanced force techniques"Not to mention, this clone is stated be bigger and Physically stronger than Kam Solusar.
Quote's are on hand if you need them.
When talking about defense Jaden simply cant put up an as effective of a defense as Gnost's Soresu. Even after his torture session that, just a few hours before, had Gnost on the brink of insanity and had, and I quote, "ravaged his body" Gnost was capable of putting up a near impenetrable wall of defense.
And Gnost was not on the top of his game after the torture session. His goal was to finish Darth Karrid who was in her command pod so that the ascendant spear would be weakened and the republic could destroy it. And right aways when he entered the room where the apprentice and two sith lords were meditating outside of the pod, he threw his lightsaber at the pod instead of taking one of them out. And when that didn't work he launched into Ataru hoping to put the three opponents down quickly, and when that failed he fell back into soresu.
My point is that Gnost was not very excited to get into a fight after that session, as his actions suggest, and thus backing up that he wasn't fighting at the top of his game. And yet despite all of that, he put down one of the opponents, albeit the weakest one, and raised a defensive wall that two sith lords who Gnost himself noted to have impressive skill couldn't penetrate.
It is my humble opinion that if Gnost had gone up against those two sith fresh, he would have defeated them.
Yeah, it could be difficult, but if Jaden could deal with the unorthodox style that Ragnos utilized - which because of the era in which Ragnos lived in, means that the swords styles were HIGHLY different from any of the saber forms and thanks to this quote:"A stalwart defender of the Sith Empire, the Juggernaut embodies the teachings of Marka Ragnos, charging into enemies with heavy armor and pure rage." -SWTOR Holonet
Something I would like to point out is that IIRC to learn Juyo you must first be a master of multiple other form in order to have something to build your Juyo off of. (I forget if it is Master or simple know multiple forms) And it is pretty obvious that Gnost has mastered Soresu but seeing as how Juyo is a purely offensive form we can count Soresu out as being on of the forms since a purely defensive form wouldn't help you create a purely offensive form.
And I also believe Gnost is a master of Niman since it is his main form, so we have one of the forms. But that means Gnost has to at least be a master of one other form since Juyo is based off multiple forms.
I believe the other form Gnost has mastered would be Djem so. I came to this conclusion based on the nature of his Juyo, being specifically tailored to lightsaber dueling, and Djem so, aside from Makashi, is the most specified towards lightsaber dueling. But seeing as how Gnost has never been depicted using Makashi I would be reluctant to claim that he has mastered it. Also Makashi is less aggressive than Djem so, so Djem so being the most aggressive would make the most sense as being the form to create Juyo off of.
If I am wrong about that Master thing, which I may be, just let me know. But if I am wrong about the master thing I still believe that Gnost has mastered Niman and Soresu and then Djem so would be the one of the forms that he is most proficient with.
Niman, Soresu, Juyo, Djem so, Ataru, Makashi, Shi Cho is the order of which I would put the forms from most skilled it least skilled. The first two and last two are kind of interchangeable.
That's impressive, But i already made my case about Jaden's familiarity with the forms. Granted he may not know all five of them, but he won't be taken by surprise because of of the elements that grant him that familiarity.Being familiar with elements from a form and being intimate with a form are two separate things. And while recognizing elements may help you combat the form, it is not the same as knowing a form inside and out. But that is a two way street. I feel like we have both come to the conclusion that each of our fighters will recognize elements from the others forms and our fighters are relatively evenly matched when it comes to recognizing elements from unfamiliar forms. But in the end of the day Gnost knows 7 forms (and actively applies at least 5 of them) where as Jaden only knows 3. Gnost knows a form for almost any situation that he will get into and is overall the more educated of the two fighters.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
So Jaden can move much faster than thugs, create a blur with his lightsaber, and slow time to see cannon fire slow and stretch.Gnost Dural can move so fast that soldiers couldn't even realize what had happened, react faster than a sith apprentice could realize something had gone wrong, and strike 4 times in less than a second.
It should be noted that the Umbaran Nyss and Wyyrlok see them as blurs. One a skilled assassin and the other a sith lord. Just sayin 😉
WARNING: The following argument may be unorthodox and people might not like it.I personally take lightsaber "blur" feats as unimpressive and here is why. The lightsaber is made of plasma and as the name suggest, gives off light. Now unless light in SW is different than light in real life anyone can make the blade appear as a blur. I have a cool ass lightsaber and even I, some 18 year old no martial arts training no body, can make the blade appear as a blur when im swinging it around like a mad man fighting of hordes of imaginary sith lords. (Yea im still a kid at heart). Sorry im not tying to cheap shot your blur feat, its something that has been on my mind for a while now.
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Eh, i kinda agree with that.
Lol that's actually kind of cute, also... Bantha ... i just turned eighteen 😉 I'm ready whenever you are 😍
When talking about defense Jaden simply cant put up an as effective of a defense as Gnost's Soresu. Even after his torture session that, just a few hours before, had Gnost on the brink of insanity and had, and I quote, "ravaged his body" Gnost was capable of putting up a near impenetrable wall of defense.
That's impressive, but the texts notes that Gnost would not be able to keep it up for long. though granted this was after being tortured. However Jaden is no doubt more skilled with the blade than either the apprentices and the sith lords.
And Gnost was not on the top of his game after the torture session. His goal was to finish Darth Karrid who was in her command pod so that the ascendant spear would be weakened and the republic could destroy it. And right aways when he entered the room where the apprentice and two sith lords were meditating outside of the pod, he threw his lightsaber at the pod instead of taking one of them out. And when that didn't work he launched into Ataru hoping to put the three opponents down quickly, and when that failed he fell back into soresu.
That's actually very tactical of Dural, after realizing that Ataru is weak against multiple opponents, he switches to soresu 👆 Nice.
However, Jaden is no mere apprentice and is more powerful than Karrid imo
My point is that Gnost was not very excited to get into a fight after that session, as his actions suggest, and thus backing up that he wasn't fighting at the top of his game. And yet despite all of that, he put down one of the opponents, albeit the weakest one, and raised a defensive wall that two sith lords who Gnost himself noted to have impressive skill couldn't penetrate.
Impressive. However, I feel we're going in circles here. As duelists, neither of us is gaining an edge, however should Jaden fail to break the defenses of Gnost, he can always rely on his telekinetic prowess to break though His defenses, though i do not know if it would come to that.
Something I would like to point out is that IIRC to learn Juyo you must first be a master of multiple other form in order to have something to build your Juyo off of. (I forget if it is Master or simple know multiple forms) And it is pretty obvious that Gnost has mastered Soresu but seeing as how Juyo is a purely offensive form we can count Soresu out as being on of the forms since a purely defensive form wouldn't help you create a purely offensive form.And I also believe Gnost is a master of Niman since it is his main form, so we have one of the forms. But that means Gnost has to at least be a master of one other form since Juyo is based off multiple forms.
I believe the other form Gnost has mastered would be Djem so. I came to this conclusion based on the nature of his Juyo, being specifically tailored to lightsaber dueling, and Djem so, aside from Makashi, is the most specified towards lightsaber dueling. But seeing as how Gnost has never been depicted using Makashi I would be reluctant to claim that he has mastered it. Also Makashi is less aggressive than Djem so, so Djem so being the most aggressive would make the most sense as being the form to create Juyo off of.
If I am wrong about that Master thing, which I may be, just let me know. But if I am wrong about the master thing I still believe that Gnost has mastered Niman and Soresu and then Djem so would be the one of the forms that he is most proficient with.
Yeah, i think that's about right.
Niman, Soresu, Juyo, Djem so, Ataru, Makashi, Shi Cho is the order of which I would put the forms from most skilled it least skilled. The first two and last two are kind of interchangeable.Being familiar with elements from a form and being intimate with a form are two separate things. And while recognizing elements may help you combat the form, it is not the same as knowing a form inside and out. But that is a two way street. I feel like we have both come to the conclusion that each of our fighters will recognize elements from the others forms and our fighters are relatively evenly matched when it comes to recognizing elements from unfamiliar forms. But in the end of the day Gnost knows 7 forms (and actively applies at least 5 of them) where as Jaden only knows 3. Gnost knows a form for almost any situation that he will get into and is overall the more educated of the two fighters. [/B]
Being the more educated in lightsaber forms does not grant one a victory, we need only look at Anoon Bondara, Cin Drallig and Kao Cen Darach, despite their title of battlemaster, they lost to users who utilized one or two forms.
Gnost is skilled, no doubt about it. However Jaden is just as skilled, gnost knows more forms. impressive, Jaden knows and specializes in three forms and is just as adaptable as Gnost. The forms are not as structured as the traditional ones, but that is not a weakness as it allows the user to become unpredictable and more versatile.
Again, a duel could go either way, however if we say that Jaden would not be able to break gnost's defenses, Jaden could simply use the force thus giving him an advantage over Dural - who while skilled, lacks the destructive power of the Katarn and Jaden clones.
Dural in a freshen state could have utterly crushed the sith lords and the apprentice with ease, however Jaden is above them and has been continuously praised by Kyle Katarn and Luke Skywalker for his skill as a Jedi.
Jaden is strong and I'm sure you'll admit that he is more impressive than karrid and her apprentices. You don't become a Jedi Knight at thirteen if that wasn't true 😉
that still doesn't compare to Gnost striking 4 times in less than a second. Meaning Gnost could probably pump out one or two more strikes in the duration of a second. I feel as though you are fighting an uphill battle where Jadens speed is concerned.
It should be noted that the Umbaran Nyss and Wyyrlok see them as blurs. One a skilled assassin and the other a sith lord. Just sayin :wink:
That's impressive, but the texts notes that Gnost would not be able to keep it up for long. though granted this was after being tortured. However Jaden is no doubt more skilled with the blade than either the apprentices and the sith lords.That is correct. I believe I pointed out the difference between his stamina when he was fresh and his stamina after the torture session.
The first time around he was able to run at supernatural speeds through a large space station then fight his way through Darth Karrid's flag ship and then fought the apprentices and Karrid and only at the very end did he even start to run out of stamina.
The second time around he broke free and had a lightsaber duel with an apprentice that only lasted a few seconds. He met up with Theron Shan and helped him get away from sith soldiers (he didn't battle his way through them, he Force pushed a few of them and threw his lightsaber at them when they tried coming around a corner, hardly comparable to actually fighting through the ship) and then he engaged the two sith lords and almost immediately his stamina ran short.
And after he did start to run low on stamina the sith lords only started pushing him back slowly, they were still unable to break through his Soresu for a lengthy period of time. Gnost was going to loose but the key word is Eventually
Jaden is going to have to bide his time if he plans on winning via Gnost running out of stamina.
Impressive. However, I feel we're going in circles here. As duelists, neither of us is gaining an edge.
Again, a duel could go either way, however if we say that Jaden would not be able to break gnost's defenses, Jaden could simply use the force thus giving him an advantage over Dural - who while skilled, lacks the destructive power of the Katarn and Jaden clones.Dural in a freshen state could have utterly crushed the sith lords and the apprentice with ease, however Jaden is above them and has been continuously praised by Kyle Katarn and Luke Skywalker for his skill as a Jedi.
actually I feel like I have already proven my point here but you refuse to back down. Gnost has mastered several forms and is skilled in all of the forms. Gnost's defensives are so strong that two sith lords working together each possessing impressive skill couldn't break through his defenses while Gnost was in a weakened state. How is Jaden going to break through Gnost's soresu wall when Gnost is at full strength? Let me answer that question for you...He isn't going to.
But on the flip side, Gnost has several highly effective and offensive forms in which he can utilize against Jaden. Jaden is no push over like the sith apprentices were and Gnost cant utilize a familiarity with their fighting style like he did against Karrid. But when fighting the two sith lords he found a small weakness and he took full advantage of it. Pray Gnost doesn't spot a weakness in Jadens form.
Jaden... has been continuously praised by Kyle Katarn and Luke Skywalker for his skill as a Jedi.
I heard tales of your great battle prowess while I was on Tython - Darth Karrid
Master Gnost-Dural's appearance was intimidating and unsettling. But Theron knew he was one of the most respected and honored Masters in the Order -annihilation
Gnost-Dural was also an accomplished warrior; he'd been battling the Sith ever since their startling reemergence on the galactic stage, longer than Theron had even been alive. -annihilation
Gnost Dural recognized the weapon he had forged while still a padawan on Coruscant. She had witnessed his lightsaber skills during their battle; now it seemed she was intent on finding some explanation in his weapon. Gnost Dural sensed and sympathized with her confusion; she had been raised to believe the power of the dark side dwarfed that of the light, and she was unable to convince herself that a jedi could have so easily bested her in combat without some kind of inherit advantage. - annihilation
Gnost is also praised as a great and skilled jedi. Sorry Jaden good try but no cookie this time.
Being the more educated in lightsaber forms does not grant one a victory, we need only look at Anoon Bondara, Cin Drallig and Kao Cen Darach, despite their title of battlemaster, they lost to users who utilized one or two forms.
Anoon lost to Darth Maul. Cin lost to Anakin Skywalker. And Darach lost to Darth Malgus. That really is an unfair assessment because the people who defeated them were lightsaber prodigies.
Jaden is strong and I'm sure you'll admit that he is more impressive than karrid and her apprentices. You don't become a Jedi Knight at thirteen if that wasn't true :wink:
Gnost beat Karrid because she had put her lightsaber skills to the back of her agenda and Gnost knew her style. But she was able to pilot the Ascendant Spear, something that only someone extremely strong in the force could do. She wasn't weak. You don't become a Dark Council master if that wasn't true.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
that still doesn't compare to Gnost striking 4 times in [b] less than a second. Meaning Gnost could probably pump out one or two more strikes in the duration of a second. I feel as though you are fighting an uphill battle where Jadens speed is concerned.[/B]
Oh, I'm not arguing that Jaden's force speed is above Gnosts, Obviously Gnost has that in the bag, I was merely showing that Jaden is skilled with force speed plus those were all knew info 🙂
The first time around he was able to run at supernatural speeds through a large space station then fight his way through Darth Karrid's flag ship and then fought the apprentices and Karrid and only at the very end did he even start to run out of stamina.The second time around he broke free and had a lightsaber duel with an apprentice that only lasted a few seconds. He met up with Theron Shan and helped him get away from sith soldiers (he didn't battle his way through them, he Force pushed a few of them and threw his lightsaber at them when they tried coming around a corner, hardly comparable to actually fighting through the ship) and then he engaged the two sith lords and almost immediately his stamina ran short.
His stamina is impressive, though not out of the range what Jaden can do and has done before.
And after he did start to run low on stamina the sith lords only started pushing him back slowly, they were still unable to break through his Soresu for a lengthy period of time. Gnost was going to loose but the key word is Eventually
Again, I've taken note of this and stated that he would have easily defeated his opponents had he been refreshed
Jaden is going to have to bide his time if he plans on winning via Gnost running out of stamina.
Perhaps, but the same could be said for Gnost.
actually I feel like I have already proven my point here but you refuse to back down. Gnost has mastered several forms and is skilled in all of the forms. Gnost's defensives are so strong that two sith lords working together each possessing impressive skill couldn't break through his defenses while Gnost was in a weakened state. How is Jaden going to break through Gnost's soresu wall when Gnost is at full strength? Let me answer that question for you...He isn't going to.
How is Gnost going to break through Jaden's defenses? if he could not break through the defenses of a two apprentices with Ataru i doubt he'll break through Jaden's defense, considering that a man who has moved in a blur stalemated with Jaden and it took the combined strength of three powerful clones(Lumiya, Kyle Katarn and Jadens own clone) to beat him in a TK battle. I doubt Gnost could replicate such a feat
But on the flip side, Gnost has several highly effective and offensive forms in which he can utilize against Jaden. Jaden is no push over like the sith apprentices were and Gnost cant utilize a familiarity with their fighting style like he did against Karrid. But when fighting the two sith lords he found a small weakness and he took full advantage of it. Pray Gnost doesn't spot a weakness in Jadens form.
An offensive that was incapable of breaking the defenses of two young apprentices.
I heard tales of your great battle prowess while I was on Tython - Darth KarridMaster Gnost-Dural's appearance was intimidating and unsettling. But Theron knew he was one of the most respected and honored Masters in the Order -annihilation
Gnost-Dural was also an accomplished warrior; he'd been battling the Sith ever since their startling reemergence on the galactic stage, longer than Theron had even been alive. -annihilation
Gnost Dural recognized the weapon he had forged while still a padawan on Coruscant. She had witnessed his lightsaber skills during their battle; now it seemed she was intent on finding some explanation in his weapon. Gnost Dural sensed and sympathized with her confusion; she had been raised to believe the power of the dark side dwarfed that of the light, and she was unable to convince herself that a jedi could have so easily bested her in combat without some kind of inherit advantage. - annihilation
"Jaden you handled yourself exceptionally well on Vjun. To confront three dark Jedi and defeat them took bravery and skill. for your efforts I feel you are ready to join our ranks as a Jedi knight." - Luke Skywalker
"Jaden, you did more than we could have ever hoped. You have become a true Jedi." - Luke Skywalker
"You're the best student I've ever trained and a terrific Jedi." - Kyle Katarn
Gnost is also praised as a great and skilled jedi. Sorry Jaden good try but no cookie this time.
I want my cookie 😛
Anoon lost to Darth Maul. Cin lost to Anakin Skywalker. And Darach lost to Darth Malgus. That really is an unfair assessment because the people who defeated them were lightsaber prodigies.
Perhaps, but it shows that despite their mastery of all forms, they still stood no chance against them.
Gnost beat Karrid because she had put her lightsaber skills to the back of her agenda and Gnost knew her style. But she was able to pilot the Ascendant Spear, something that only someone extremely strong in the force could do. She wasn't weak. You don't become a Dark Council master if that wasn't true. [/B]
I have quotes that call Jaden a quote "Advanced Lightsided force user" and he has continuously been entrusted with various tasks by Luke Skywalker, such as taking down Tavion/Ragnos, heading to the planet Vjun(need i say more) and being he was even offered the seat Jedi Master "a long time ago" by the order. Why i don't have these in my thread idk.
Karrid may be impressive, but Jaden is even more so.
Oh, I'm not arguing that Jaden's force speed is above Gnosts, Obviously Gnost has that in the bag, I was merely showing that Jaden is skilled with force speed plus those were all knew info smileGnost speed blitzs / thread hewhewhew
His stamina is impressive, though not out of the range what Jaden can do and has done before.I agree that Jadens stamina is better, but I was merely trying to say that this battle will probably end before one of the fighters tires out because they both are capable of fighting for lengthy periods of time.
if he could not break through the defenses of a two apprentices with Ataru i doubt he'll break through Jaden's defense,
An offensive that was incapable of breaking the defenses of two young apprentices.
You are incorrect. Every time Gnost fought the apprentices he put them on their asses with ease.
the Kel Dor countered with Djem So, the fifth of the seven recognized lightsaber forms. Concentrating his counterattacks exclusively on the physically smaller female sith, he unleashed a series of savage blows, driving her into a stumbling retreat. -annihilation
She threw up her lightsaber in a defensive stance to hold him off, but one-on-one she was no match for the Kel Dor. He came at her with a flurry of intense strikes drawn from Juyo, the highly aggressive seventh form of lightsaber combat designed specifically to overwhelm a lone opponent in a one-on-one duel. The chaotic patterns and haphazard sequences picked apart the Sith's defenses in a matter of second, the battle ended with Master Gnost-Dural plunging his lightsaber through her chest and out the other side, impaling her as she had originally tried to do so to him.- annihilation
The apprentice blocked two overhand strikes, but then overreacted when the Kel Dor feigned a third, leaving himself vulnerable down low. The Jedi turned his wrist and spun to his left, reversing the direction of the blade too quickly for the apprentice to recover, and removed him from the battle with a deep slash across the midsection that nearly severed the man in two. - annihilation
Gnost did fail to overwhelm the two impressive sith lords with Ataru when he was in his weakened state. But saying that Gnost couldn't handle the apprentices is laughable.
I think it says more that it took such high caliber opponents to take them out. And I recall Anoon putting up a good fight against Darth Maul as well as Darach holding off both Malgus and Vindican at the same time and defeated Vindican before running out of energy and getting easily overwhelmed by Malgus.
Perhaps, but it shows that despite their mastery of all forms, they still stood no chance against them.
^ Those are the people you just compared Gnost too.
Karrid may be impressive, but Jaden is even more so.agreed
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrr does Jaden Kor could be included? I mean Iv play to the game and the skill and state are so cuztumisable...
-_- He has two books for him, Crosscurrent and Riptide. I have quotes from the books in my respect thread lol.
Also Bantha, I won't be able to response to you today, but it'll be the first thing i do tomorrow. 🙂
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Gnost speed blitzs / thread hewhewhew
I agree that Jadens stamina is better, but I was merely trying to say that this battle will probably end before one of the fighters tires out because they both are capable of fighting for lengthy periods of time.
Agreed, their stamina is incredible. They could both take down Vader together 😛
You are incorrect. Every time Gnost fought the apprentices he put them on their asses with ease.Gnost did fail to overwhelm the two impressive sith lords with Ataru when he was in his weakened state. But saying that Gnost couldn't handle the apprentices is laughable.
Apologies, I get the two sith lords battle and the apprentices confused, my bad.
I think it says more that it took such high caliber opponents to take them out. And I recall Anoon putting up a good fight against Darth Maul as well as Darach holding off both Malgus and Vindican at the same time and defeated Vindican before running out of energy and getting easily overwhelmed by Malgus.^ Those are the people you just compared Gnost too.
I also compared Gnost to Cin Drallig hewhewhew
Alright, i think it's time we make our closing arguments. Do you want to do those in the poll thread or on here? We can sort out the details on chat or i'll PM them to you if you want. Let me know bantha. 🙂
Closing Arguments:
Alright, so Bantha and I can't come to a decent conclusions, probably because these two are our favorite characters, but never the less, we'll start with our closing arguments:
Lightsabers:
Jaden is a highly versatile duelist, the medium style serves as his basis, the Medium style is Jack-of-all-trades form, incorporating Niman, Shii-Cho and traces of Soresu into it's sequences. the form has no real weakness, it is designed to be a form that can take on either one opponent or multiple adversaries be they, Lightsaber wielders, Force users or Blaster wielding soldiers. The form is highly versatile and adaptable to almost any situation. Another form that jaden is skilled with is the Fast Style of the NJO also known as the defensive form, the form incorporates Shien/Djem So, Ataru and traces of Soresu, this form is quite impressive, utilizing quick jabs and acrobatics to overwhelm the users opponent as well as quick feints and trap shunts to counter their opponents, due to the forms incorporation of Shien and Soresu it was optimal against Blaster fire. Now Gnost is a expert of six of the seven traditional forms(I don't count Shii-Cho because few ever continue to incorporate or even master this form after apprenticeship) and he has shown himself capable of chaining his lightsaber forms in sync, which is highly impressive, however. Jaden's lightsaber form is highly unpredictable as these forms allow for the user to build a highly personal and completely customizable fighting style. Given how this allows Jaden to be more unpredictable i feel that he gets the edge- however it is a very small egde as Gnost would also be highly unpredictable because of his chaining of the lightsaber forms as well. In my opinion these will stalemate in a duel, so i declare them as equals.
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Force Powers:
Jaden is an extremely talented force user who was regarded as "an advanced light sided force user" His Talent with Telekinesis vastly outstrips gnost's own, as he has held the powerfu and combinedl TK of the Kyle Katarn and Jaden Clones and though he started to fail at first, he was able to summon a reservoir of strength and pushed back, this effort was only broken when the Lumiya clone took advantage of his precarious situation and used force against him, it should be noted that these clones share a bond that empowers them all. so the fact that held back these two clones and only broke when a third powerful clone joined in, is nothing to scoff at. Jaden was also a user of the Force repulse ability and was able to break the grip of the ancient Rakatan entity known as "Mother" who was a powerful dark sided creature. He has used Telekinesis to bring down large pillars and has sent a boulder flying with his raw power as a thirteen year old. to say that Jaden is a skilled practitioner is an understatement. His speed with the blade made blurs for a Sith lord[Wyyrlok] and he has used his prowess with speed to slow his decent as he fell from 3 floors, to see the fire of a ship and re-direct it back at said ship. While gnost maybe above Jaden in speed, Jaden is above Gnost in Telekinetic power as he[Jaden] has the Raw power to Explode corpses that were being possessed/controlled by "Mother" In Dozens! Jaden would not have any difficulty dealing with Gnost's TK as he himself is already a master of that art. Jaden has the edge over Gnost in force powers.
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The Verdict:
A fight between these two would be exactly like the the first half of Anakin and Obi-Wans duel on mustafar, with Jaden playing the part of Anakin and Gnost play the part of Obi-Wan. Jaden - much like Anakin, would be the aggressor, he would rain down a hale of strikes down on Gnost and force the Kel Dor on the defensive, they would fight, using everything(forms - wise) they have until they deadlock where Jaden would start to use physical attacks and gnost would respond with his own blows, eventually they would regain their blades and deadlock once again, here is where everything changes. after deadlocking both combatants would both unleash a force blast against one another they would stalemate in force deadlock for a while, however unlike with Obi-Wan and Anakin, one would eventually overwhelm the other - and that person is Jaden, with his superior Telekinetic prowess Jaden would overwhelm Gnost and push him back, thus given jaden an edge and the Victory over the Kel Dor.
This scenario could also be flipped, where Jaden plays the part of the defender(Obi-Wan) and Gnost is the Aggressor(Anakin), however the end result would be the same, both would deadlock and use the force and Jaden would overpower Gnost in this regard. they are both highly skilled duelist, however Jaden is simply the better Telekinetic user. Regardless of the scenario Jaden's TK, Coupled with his knowledge of force speed and Force repulse gives him a significant edge.
I feel these two are more or less equals when it comes to the blade and they have a great edge over one another in TK and Speed respectively. However i feel like Jaden has enough to counter the edge that Gnost has over him.
So it is for this reason, that I declare Jaden Korr the victory of this battle
Closing Remarks.
Lightsabers: Gnost-Dural is an absolute master of lightsaber combat who has mastered many of the seven forms and has great skill in the others. He is capable of raising a defense with soresu that Jaden Korr could not penetrate and has several options of which to raise an offense, Juyo, Ataru, Djem So, and Niman.
Being a master with such a braud skill set, Gnost is an expert at spotting weaknesses in an opponents style and taking full advantage of it. Examples being when he used Djem So to overpower the physically weaker apprentice, when he took advantage of Darth Karrids inherent weakness in her style, and when he turned the two sith lords blades against one another.
Jaden Korr is a very skilled duelist, of that their is no doubt, but Gnost-Dural is one of the greats of his era. Jaden Korr will no doubt put up a fight but Gnost-Dural will ultimately defeat him.
Forcepowers: While I will not deny that Jaden Korr has more powerful TK than Gnost, Gnost is in no means weak. Gnost is capable of sending four heavily armored soldiers flying with a single force push and makes a habit of throwing soldiers around like ragdolls.
The biggest difference between the two is not that difference in power, it is how they apply the Force. Jaden uses the Force as a weapon, but Gnost uses it as a tool to feed into his lightsaber skill. Gnost will not try to overwhelm Jaden with TK but he will chain in force pushes and lightsaber throws to off balance Jaden and create openings for which Gnost can land a finishing blow with his lightsaber.
Also Gnost Dural is much faster than Jaden Korr and that also enhances his lightsaber dueling advantage. Gnost can strike 4 times in less than a second and can run through a very large enemy space station so fast that no one fully realized what had happened and thought that their minds were playing tricks on them. If Gnost chooses to defeat Jaden through speed he would no doubt succeed. (hah it rhymes)
The Verdict: I came out this debate thinking the same thing as when I came in. Gnost-Durals main advantage is his speed and lightsaber skill. And while Jaden has more powerful TK strikes, all of Gnost-Durals skills feed into his main advantage, his lightsaber skills. And through superior skill backed up by much greater speed knowledge and a higher pain threshold I see Gnost-Dural taking the majority.