The Equalizer runs the gauntlet

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The Equalizer runs the gauntlet

1. John McClane
2. Bobby Lee Swagger
3. Jack Reacher
4. Ethan Hunt
5. James Bond (Craig)
6. Bryan Mills
7. Jack Bauer
8. John Rambo
9. Jason Bourne
10. Agent 47
11. John Matrix

A. H2H
B. CQB in an automechanic shop
C. Gunfight in an abandoned subway station
D. Hunt each other across the island of Manhattan with no resources other than what can be improvised

Bloodlusted deathmatch/No PIS/CIS
Who takes this?

IMO, he makes it to 9. Possibly 10. Don't see him getting past 10 though.

The problem with Bourne is his insane pain threshold. Bullets don't stop him for long if they even do, and the others like him that he went up against from tredstone could not put him down.

But McCall has a high pain threshold as well. He took on the superhuman dude in the knife fight moments after getting shot with an assault rifle (Bourne only got shot with a handgun) and cauterizing the wound with only slight discomfort.

Also as far as taking on Treadstone agents go, I would place the dude Bob fought above them due to his superhuman ability to tank multiple stab wounds (including to the back of the neck) with basically no effect. The first stab McCall gave him would have killed any normal person but the dude kept on trucking. So the fact that McCall beat him, despite having a cauterized gunshot wound, is more impressive IMO than any of Bourne's fights.

Possibly stops at Mills, definitely stops at Rambo, especially in scenario D.

McCall would steamroll Mills, and Rambo has never shown expertise at urban warfare. Ever. Also, McCall displayed very clearly during the Home Mart sequence that he's just as skilled as Rambo at guerrilla warfare/trap setting, regardless of environment.

Whoa, are you serious? I can see Mills losing, but Rambo is on another level. Stronger, tougher, greater kill count etc. We're talking about a guy who solos small armies. He would have rolled those guys in the Home Mart.

In a hunt across an urban city? You'd give that to Rambo?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Stronger, tougher, greater kill count etc.

Erm...IDK about that. McCall's taken dudes with superhuman strength/durability (while injured no less) in knife fights and pwned them. Regarding killcount, McCall was more methodical than just killing people. He was trying to take down Pushkin's business by strategically hitting his most profitable assets. That being stated, McCall took down every opponent who tried to kill him, regardless of number.

Also, given the complete ease in which McCall snaps necks and bones, and his ability to tank a massive oil tanker explosion without a scratch amongst other things, he's clearly preternaturally strong and durable himself (Matter of fact, that oil tanker feat probably outdoes every durability feat Rambo's ever had)

Originally posted by Psychotron
We're talking about a guy who solos small armies.

Using prep and guerrilla jungle warfare (the ONLY terrain he's shown skill in guerrilla warfare in), not to mention LOTS of help (which defeats the point of "soloing"😉. McCall took down an entire crime syndicate with pretty much no help except for the CIA lady giving him basic profiles for his targets.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He would have rolled those guys in the Home Mart.

Like McCall already did.... 😐
The only time he was actually down was after the aforementioned fight with the superhuman, and even after that he was still owning them. Also, don't forget that he didn't just have to kill them, he also had to rescue the hostages, so he probably would have taken them down quicker if not for that distraction.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Erm...IDK about that. McCall's taken dudes with superhuman strength/durability (while injured no less) in knife fights and pwned them. Regarding killcount, McCall was more methodical than just killing people. He was trying to take down Pushkin's business by strategically hitting his most profitable assets. That being stated, McCall took down every opponent who tried to kill him, regardless of number.

Also, given the complete ease in which McCall snaps necks and bones, and his ability to tank a massive oil tanker explosion without a scratch amongst other things, he's clearly preternaturally strong and durable himself (Matter of fact, that oil tanker feat probably outdoes every durability feat Rambo's ever had)

Using prep and guerrilla jungle warfare (the ONLY terrain he's shown skill in guerrilla warfare in), not to mention LOTS of help (which defeats the point of "soloing"😉. McCall took down an entire crime syndicate with pretty much no help except for the CIA lady giving him basic profiles for his targets.

Like McCall already did.... 😐
The only time he was actually down was after the aforementioned fight with the superhuman, and even after that he was still owning them. Also, don't forget that he didn't just have to kill them, he also had to rescue the hostages, so he probably would have taken them down quicker if not for that distraction.

Who has McCall fought that had superhuman stats? McCall's methodical killing is fine if you want to take down someone covertly, but in straight fight Rambo is the superior killer. He's faced a higher class of opponents.

Yeah, and Rambo is strong enough to tear a man's throat out with his bare hands and tough enough to keep fighting after being shot with a gatling gun. This is at the age of 60 btw. McCall didn't tank the explosion, he walked away from it.

McCall didn't have an easy time with those guys, Rambo would have killed them faster.
I wouldn't really say he had lots of help, the guy has over 300 kills, he's an absolute monster.

McCall beats Rambos ass.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
McCall beats Rambos ass.

No, he doesn't. It's crazy how little respect Rambo gets.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, he doesn't. It's crazy how little respect Rambo gets.

McCall would have him dead before Rambo had time to blink, he was almost a bullet timer.

Rambo is so wanked its crazy.

A couple of redneck cops wanked him around.

wot, is McCall the Flash now?

Originally posted by Psychotron
wot, is McCall the Flash now?

No but he's fast as hell.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Who has McCall fought that had superhuman stats?

Did you not see the dude he fought at the end? Tanked life-threatening stab wounds with absolutely no affect. Any normal human would have been killed instantly when he first got stabbed.

Originally posted by Psychotron
McCall's methodical killing is fine if you want to take down someone covertly, but in straight fight Rambo is the superior killer. He's faced a higher class of opponents.

Who has he faced who could tank multiple stab wounds?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, and Rambo is strong enough to tear a man's throat out with his bare hands and tough enough to keep fighting after being shot with a gatling gun. This is at the age of 60 btw. McCall didn't tank the explosion, he walked away from it.

No...he tanked it. The flames fully engulfed him and he just strolled out like it was nothing. The massive blast should have either incinerated him to a crisp or flung him several miles with the kinetic energy, but instead he just tanked it. Also, it took Rambo way more time to do that throat rip than it took McCall to snap necks.

Originally posted by Psychotron
McCall didn't have an easy time with those guys, Rambo would have killed them faster.

Um, yeah he did. Only time he struggled was with the superhuman. And again, I'm sure you have feats of Rambo performing improvised urban guerrilla warfare/hostage rescue to back your claim that he could do it faster (and before you say he rescued the hostages in Rambo 4, he needed the merc squad's help to do that, not to mention the soldiers were distracted raping women)

Originally posted by Psychotron
I wouldn't really say he had lots of help, the guy has over 300 kills, he's an absolute monster.

Him having 300 kills has zero bearing on how much help he received. At the end of Rambo 4, he needed a merc squad and an entire Karen rebel infantry to cover his ass while he got a high killcount which was unimpressive because it was due to the weapon he used rather than raw skill. Dude may be a monster, but in the end he'll be equalized.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Did you not see the dude he fought at the end? Tanked life-threatening stab wounds with absolutely no affect. Any normal human would have been killed instantly when he first got stabbed.

Who has he faced who could tank multiple stab wounds?

No...he tanked it. The flames fully engulfed him and he just strolled out like it was nothing. The massive blast should have either incinerated him to a crisp or flung him several miles with the kinetic energy, but instead he just tanked it. Also, it took Rambo way more time to do that throat rip than it took McCall to snap necks.

Um, yeah he did. Only time he struggled was with the superhuman. And again, I'm sure you have feats of Rambo performing improvised urban guerrilla warfare/hostage rescue to back your claim that he could do it faster (and before you say he rescued the hostages in Rambo 4, he needed the merc squad's help to do that, not to mention the soldiers were distracted raping women)

Him having 300 kills has zero bearing on how much help he received. At the end of Rambo 4, he needed a merc squad and an entire Karen rebel infantry to cover his ass while he got a high killcount which was unimpressive because it was due to the weapon he used rather than raw skill. Dude may be a monster, but in the end he'll be equalized.

Lel, that shit happens all the time in action movies. I guess every action hero must be superhuman. Rambo himself must be at least Spider-man level for taking a 50 cal. bullet and continuing to fight.

I meant in general. Russian, Vietnamese, Burma militaries are all >> corrupt cops, thieves and mobsters.

😆 Are you joking? The flames didn't engulf him. He walked away from the explosion like every badass action hero does.

Because ripping out throats is much harder, especially since he had lifted the guy off the floor. Rambo has casually snapped necks before, btw.

That guy wasn't even close to superhuman, people irl have better feats than that. Gee, I don't know. How about when he owned the cops in the forest in First Blood? Or when he owned the Vietnam troops in Rambo 2, or the Russians in that cave in Rambo 3? Face it, stealth is Rambo's second nature. And his first is killing.

That's ridiculous, Rambo saved the mercs, not the other way around. And everyone was focusing their fire on Rambo, that's how they escaped in the first place. And who helped him when rolled over the Vietnamese in Rambo 2? Who helped him when he was making fools out of the cops and the National Guard in First Blood, even though he was trying not to kill them?

McCall has better H2H and lethal blows. Rambo will go down.

Possibly in H2H, but unlikely, he's physically superior to McCall. Rambo owns in everything else, his stealth and gun feats are off the charts.

I'll re watch some rambo flicks for a refresher and see what I come up with.