Originally posted by Nargaroth
[B] How many characters do you think are more powerful than him? Because, without counting entities, I can't think of more than 5 Force user who exceed Starkiller in power.
Sidious
Luke
Caedus
Exar Kun
Revan
(RotJ)Vader
Malgus
Vitiate
Krayt
Yoda
Bane
Abeloth and the Ones
I could name a lot more. Starkiller is another RotS/ANH Vader level combatant, IMO, and there are tons of those.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
lol.Sidious
Luke
Caedus
Exar Kun
Revan
(RotJ)Vader
Malgus
Vitiate
Krayt
Yoda
Bane
Abeloth and the OnesI could name a lot more. Starkiller is another RotS/ANH Vader level combatant, IMO, and there are tons of those.
Let'see:
1. Sidious: yes, and he's one of those five
2. Caedus: probably not.
3. Exar Kun: no. He's only better as a duellist
4. Revan: lol
5. Vader Rotj: he is a far better duellist, but more powerful? That's lolworthy
6. Malgus: no. I don't even put him on Vader's level.
7. Vitiate: with preparation, yes.
8. Krayt: no
9. Yoda: yes.
10. Bane would be stomped, and even with Orbalisk armor he isn't comparable.
The Ones are really too obvious, that's why I didn't count them.
Regardless, you have provided nothing to substantiate why he isn't far above Vader. You just laugh at anything against what you say without elaborating. Next time, I suggest you try to use an actual argument to prove me wrong.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The fun thing about making claims is that you have to prove them.
Maybe you didn't notice, but the quotes I posted on page 1 are my evidence. It's not my fault if you didn't post anything from Vader or many of those other characters that exceeds Starkiller's feats. Thus, it's up to you to prove me wrong on that account.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Saying Starkiller>Hero is lolworthy.
Yeah, when the Hero can disintegrate half of a 300m frigate, while simultaneously maintaing a Force Barrier capable of withstanding heat akin to that found in the outer layers of a star, you can call him equal to Starkiller.
Obviously, Hot is a better duellist than Starkiller, and I think he is in Tier 9 or approachable to that level, but that's another matter.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
Maybe you didn't notice, but the quotes I posted on page 1 are my evidence. It's not my fault if you didn't post anything from Vader or many of those other characters that exceeds Starkiller's feats. Thus, it's up to you to prove me wrong on that account.
Anyone actually read the graphic novel or novel for that matter? Vader and Starkiller in their primes are both above Malgus.
Starkiller's actual fight vs Darth Sidious is almost more impressive than the in-game one:
You don't TK rag-doll and then Tutaminis/Lightning fight Sidious if you're 'just another ROTS/ANH Vader combatant'.
Clone Starkiller has shown himself able to dish out similar levels of lightning feats, display superior telekinesis feats and tank more with Tutaminis than either of his opponents here:
But the same was true in reverse. And when Vader forced Starkiller onto his back foot and raised his lightsaber to strike him down, Starkiller fired a lightning blast into the side of Vader's armor that was so concentrated, even the new insulation couldn't absorb it.- The Force Unleashed 2
A burst of lightning arced from Starkiller's fingers. Too late, the Dark Lord raised his lightsaber to catch the attack. Lightning crawled up and down his chest plate and helmet, provoking a painful whine from his breathing apparatus. The servomotors in his right arm strained.Starkiller had only a split second before his former Master repelled the attack. The Force flowed through him. Droid parts and debris rose up and spun around the room. With a harsh rending sound, the metal wall burst outward, letting in the fury of the storm.
Vader's blade caught the edge of the lightning. The Dark Lord began to straighten.
He didn't know if it could feel him yet, but he didn't doubt that it would soon. Raising both lightsabers blade-down, he stabbed deep into the metal plate and ran forward, melting a double line downward, toward its hideous face. At the same time, he shocked it with lightning, using the plate and his lightsabers to conduct the electricity directly to the creature's giant neurons.Starkiller leapt onto one of its thick, plated eyebrows and clung tight to a branch-like hair with one hand. The other pointed down into the creature's nearest eye, ready to send a shock along its optic nerve, right into its brain.
Instead of a wild crackle of lightning, he discharged a single pure bolt into the metal anchor, stabbing deep through the creature's chest into its heart.Its back arched. A strange, fluting cry emerged from its mouth. Starkiller rode out the spasm, maintaining the electric shock for as long as he was able. Muscular waves rolled back and forth, twisting him from side to side. It felt like a groundquake-a fleshquake on a planet-sized monster.
The pulsing coming through the soles of his boots ran wild, faltered, ceased.
He sagged as the mountain of flesh finally grew still. The fight was over, but darkness enfolded them as they entered the mouth of the sinkhole and went into free fall.
Three AT-STs standing guard over the landing platform clanked and began to turn.- The Force Unleashed 2He reached out with his hands and flexed his will. The Force responded, swelling and rising in him like an invisible muscle. A nearby communications tower groaned and twisted. Sparks flew. He wrenched the tower down and sideways, sweeping it over the platform, knocking the AT-STs into the ocean and crushing the stormtroopers gathering to rush him.
He could feel the crowd's roar through the soles of his feet. He was close now, very close. The casino's defenses were tight but no match for him. What he couldn't fight through, he simply destroyed. At the final juncture, he guided a sky-tram off its tracks and into the side of the building, tearing a hole large enough for an army to burst through. He jumped into the maelstrom of sparks and molten metal and ran to where he could sense Kota, still fighting for his life in the potentate's theater of death.- The Force Unleashed 2
One long, straight corridor led to a double door made of durasteel. It was guarded by six stormtroopers. Starkiller didn't bother stopping to fight them. With a gesture, he pushed them aside, then burst open the doors.- The Force Unleashed 2
Starkiller reached the cargo bay doors. They were locked, but that didn't slow him for longer than a second. Inert matter was no match for the Force, and therefore no obstacle to him. Had Juno not been on the other side, he would have vaporized it in an instant, sending scalding metal shrapnel flying all through the cargo bay.- The Force Unleashed 2
This was where it got difficult. He needed to maintain the Force shield against the sort of heat he might find in the outer layers of a star. He also had to keep in mind the target ahead-a target he couldn't see through the plasma, but had to hit square-on or else the planetary shield generators wouldn't fail. No matter what happened, he had to fly straight.- The Force Unleashed 2He raised his hands and spread his fingers wide. His eyes closed tightly against the fiery brightness of the plasma. With each bucking and shaking of the ship beneath him, he encouraged himself to ride with it instead of fighting it. He was part of the ship, not a passenger. He was the ship, not a reckless pilot guiding it to destruction.
With his mind and all the power of the Force, Starkiller embraced what remained of the Nebulon frigate beneath him-and blew it into a billion pieces- The Force Unleashed 2The ship was almost upon them when the figure brought his hands down in a fierce, pounding motion, and the last solid fragment of the Salvation exploded into fiery pieces.
Juno coughed and wished she could wipe her eyes clear of ash. Her ship had blown itself practically to atoms; she had seen it happen, right in front of her. There was no chance at all that Starkiller could have survived. He had been riding right on top of it.
The last thing he remembered was tightening the Force shield around him and destroying the Salvation so it wouldn't kill Juno.
He fought his way into the second tower against a steady rain of blasterfire, while at the same time defending his back. He buckled lofty platforms, ripping stormtroopers to their deaths far below. He used cloning tubes as flying bombs, turning the floor underfoot slick with spilled amniotic fluids. He peeled plates from the walls and sent them flying into clutches of stormtroopers too time-consuming to confront head-on.- The Force Unleashed 2
He sought strength from within himself, and pushed outward with all his might. Clones went flying. The empty tubes from which they had emerged shattered into millions of pieces. Platforms buckled and fell with reverberant crashes. The interior of the cloning tower rang as though struck with a giant hammer. Every muscle in his body shook with the effort of it.The echoes faded, and he felt a peculiar kind of quiet descend.
The air was misted red, and every surface was slick with blood. He tasted it on his tongue and smelled it in his nose. His blood. A veritable ocean of it.
He maintained a defensive pose, breathing rhythmically and deeply, regaining his strength. The tips of his lightsabers shook. He had never felt so exhausted, at every level of his being. He felt simultaneously cleansed and poisoned.
Nothing moved. Slowly, incredulously, he began to believe that it was over.
They were all dead. He had destroyed every last one of them. He was the only one left-of the many Darth Vader had created to do his bidding.
Through the open gate behind the rancor came a giant hand, attached to an arm as thick as a small cruiser. Each clawed finger was as long as a starfighter. With surprising speed, it reached out and snatched the bull rancor off the floor of the arena, right in front of them, and pulled it screaming back into the darkness. Something crunched, and the screams were cut off. Bones cracked and splintered with a sickening sound. Sinewy tissue stretched and tore.
Both fists came for him, converging with enough force to crack a moon in two. He stood his ground, adding his defiant shout to the creature's angry roaring. The fists came together, making Starkiller's world shake, but he went unharmed behind the strongest Force barrier he could muster. When the fists lifted, he found himself buried almost a meter deep in a gravel pit of shattered rock.
Moving out of the center of the ring of converging clones brought him into contact with the third wave, the most cunning he had encountered so far. Long-armed and long-fingered, with blackened, blistering skin, these employed lightning when attacking him, and then by devious means.They would wait until he was distracted and attack him from behind, or come at him from three directions at once, or even use one of their fellow clones as an impromptu conductor. Deadly currents crackled and sparkled around him, kept barely at bay by the judicious application of a Force shield. Sometimes a lucky strike caused him pain, but he fought through it, found the source, and put the attack quickly to an end.