Yuri Boyka vs Bourne

Originally posted by Robtard
By gouging out his eyes and breaking his neck, would be an option I'd imagine.

Do you really think that with all we've seen Bourne do, how he adapts and the training he's had to become a super-assassin, wrestling/ground combat wasn't on the menu?

IMO, I don't see "a good ground game" as being the kryptonite to the Operation Treadstone and Blackbriar guys.

You don't gauge eyes or break necks when there's a 200 lb fighting machine on top of you, punching you. That's not how it works.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You don't gauge eyes or break necks when there's a 200 lb fighting machine on top of you, punching you. That's not how it works.

Sure it is, the only thing stopping MMA guys from doing exactly that when they go to the ground is MMA rules and the fact that they're not nigh super-human like Bourne is.

But if you don't like that option, Bourne could target and break small joints if the fight should do to the ground. As we saw him joint break another super-assassin in Paris (think it was Paris).

In the earliest days of mixed martial arts (in Japan I believe) there were a couple of fights pitting Aikido fighters against boxers. Guess what, all those small joint holds and manipulations that aikido does didn't work on the boxers. The boxers were too strong and too fast. Wrestlers and judokas on the other hand were pretty successful against the boxers, because they went after big joints/body parts and brought the boxers to the ground.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sure it is, the only thing stopping MMA guys from doing exactly that when they go to the ground is MMA rules and the fact that they're not nigh super-human like Bourne is.

But if you don't like that option, Bourne could target and break small joints if the fight should do to the ground. As we saw him joint break another super-assassin in Paris (think it was Paris).

God, you're delusional. The moment you uncover is the moment you get your nose busted and your head pounded into the floor. Try that shit in a street fight, Rob, I dare ya.

Boyka has a serious size and weight advantage on Bourne, as well as more skill and experience in wrestling. Going to ground is suicide for Bourne.

Originally posted by Psychotron
God, you're delusional. The moment you uncover is the moment you get your nose busted and your head pounded into the floor. Try that shit in a street fight, Rob, I dare ya.

Boyka has a serious size and weight advantage on Bourne, as well as more skill and experience in wrestling. Going to ground is suicide for Bourne.

Nah. Exactly though, this would be akin to a "street fight", ie no rules. If (I stress if) Boyka should gain a dominant position on Bourne, Boyka's getting eye gouged and/or his testicles crushed. You're also ignoring Bourne's super-human ability to take damage and keep going, due to his training/enhancements. A few shots to the face won't end him.

They're both 5'10", Adkins would be heavier. Again, do you really think Operation Treadstone trained super-assassins capable of killing anyone/anywhere but didn't factor in wrestling? Advanced H2H training would logical include ground fighting.

Bourne has 3 films where he takes out people in a matter of seconds via KO or death. Boyka is doomed.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nah. Exactly though, this would be akin to a "street fight", ie no rules. If (I stress if) Boyka should gain a dominant position on Bourne, Boyka's getting eye gouged and/or his testicles crushed. You're also ignoring Bourne's super-human ability to take damage and keep going, due to his training/enhancements. A few shots to the face won't end him.

They're both 5'10", Adkins would be heavier. Again, do you really think Operation Treadstone trained super-assassins capable of killing anyone/anywhere but didn't factor in wrestling? Advanced H2H training would logical include ground fighting.

Bourne has 3 films where he takes out people in a matter of seconds via KO or death. Boyka is doomed.

Lel try gauging someone's eye out when you get your nose busted, there's blood everywhere, and you can't breather well. That's not even factoring in all the moves Boyka can do or all the locks he can put Bourne in. And like I said, there were no rules in the matches they had. You're the one ignoring Boyka's great damage soak and pain resistance. The guy continued to fight with a mangled knee, and straight up broke Dolor's leg with that knee.

All that hype and no feats to support it. H2H is not the only thing they would have been trained in, he's not nearly as specialized as Boyka who's only focus is H2H. I'll tell you what, post Bourne's best fight and I'll post Boyka's best and we'll who's better.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Lel try gauging someone's eye out when you get your nose busted, there's blood everywhere, and you can't breather well. That's not even factoring in all the moves Boyka can do or all the locks he can put Bourne in. And like I said, there were no rules in the matches they had. You're the one ignoring Boyka's great damage soak and pain resistance. The guy continued to fight with a mangled knee, and straight up broke Dolor's leg with that knee.

All that hype and no feats to support it. H2H is not the only thing they would have been trained in, he's not nearly as specialized as Boyka who's only focus is H2H. I'll tell you what, post Bourne's best fight and I'll post Boyka's best and we'll who's better.

Again, you think Bourne's going to automatically get his nose busted like some chump when Bourne's the guy who has the record of downing or killing guys (sometimes armed) in seconds. Boyka's the one that going to be on the defensive trying to not get killed.

He's a super-assassin trained to kill with gun, knife, pen, magazine or bare-hands and can quickly adapt to any situation How is that not specialized?

Again, Bourne took out other super-assassins, guys genetically, physically and mentally altered to be the ultimate killing machines. Has Boyka fought anyone close to this? Not that recall.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, you think Bourne's going to automatically get his nose busted like some chump when Bourne's the guy who has the record of downing or killing guys (sometimes armed) in seconds. Boyka's the one that going to be on the defensive trying to not get killed.

He's a super-assassin trained to kill with gun, knife, pen, magazine or bare-hands and can quickly adapt to any situation How is that not specialized?

Again, Bourne took out other super-assassins, guys genetically, physically and mentally altered to be the ultimate killing machines. Has Boyka fought anyone close to this? Not that recall.

But this is why I said Bourne wins with weapons. In nearly every fight that he had, they eventually resorted to using some sort of weapon, even if it was just a pen.

Boyka is pure h2h. So in a pure h2h match, Boyka has the advantage

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, you think Bourne's going to automatically get his nose busted like some chump when Bourne's the guy who has the record of downing or killing guys (sometimes armed) in seconds. Boyka's the one that going to be on the defensive trying to not get killed.

He's a super-assassin trained to kill with gun, knife, pen, magazine or bare-hands and can quickly adapt to any situation How is that not specialized?

Again, Bourne took out other super-assassins, guys genetically, physically and mentally altered to be the ultimate killing machines. Has Boyka fought anyone close to this? Not that recall.

Look, if they're on the ground, and Boyka is on top of him (which he will be thanks to his better ground feats, his superior weight and strength), and Bourne uncovers his head to try to attack Boyka, then Boyka will push his face in. That's how it is, Bourne's best chance is to try to get him off, but that's much harder said than done.

Do you know what specialization is, Robtardo? Bourne's been trained to do a lot of shit, Boyka has focused on one thing - H2H. So he's more specialized.

Stop dodging, post a Bourne fight and I'll post a Boyka fight. Lets have a measuring contest.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Look, if they're on the ground, and Boyka is on top of him (which he will be thanks to his better ground feats, his superior weight and strength), and Bourne uncovers his head to try to attack Boyka, then Boyka will push his face in. That's how it is, Bourne's best chance is to try to get him off, but that's much harder said than done.

Do you know what specialization is, Robtardo? Bourne's been trained to do a lot of shit, Boyka has focused on one thing - H2H. So he's more specialized.

Stop dodging, post a Bourne fight and I'll post a Boyka fight. Lets have a measuring contest.

Again "if, if, if". If it goes to the ground, Bourne's still the super-assassin trained to kill.

I indeed do. Bourne's specialized to kill as quickly as possible; that's what he does best. Boyka isn't.

Edit: Playback not allowed, so here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UeMY731118

Boyka's fights are no where as brutal or intense, more concerned on silly choreography than anything else. Might as well be watching children fight in comparison.

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Originally posted by FrothByte
But this is why I said Bourne wins with weapons. In nearly every fight that he had, they eventually resorted to using some sort of weapon, even if it was just a pen.

Boyka is pure h2h. So in a pure h2h match, Boyka has the advantage

Not true, Bourne's first fight against another super-assassin, while Bourne did stab the guy with a pen (which did nothing severe to the guy due to his training) after the guy pulled a knife, Bourne took him out via strikes and joint-breaks.

In the ring with rules - Boyka with high difficulty

In open area - Bourne stomps with or without weapon.

Originally posted by Psychotron
And yet Boyka is noticeably faster, more skilled, far more agile, has better damage soak and durability feats. Also, there aren't any rules in Undisputed 3 since Dolor was beating people to death and they let Boyka continue to fight with a broken knee. Your move.

1. Faster, no. Bourne disarms people with guns before they can blink.
2. More skilled, no. Bourne has $30 million super soldier training to be superlative in all forms of combat. Beating down a tournament of prison thugs is unimpressive comparatively.
3. More agile, no. Bourne outruns police squads on rooftops, hops through windows, and is still able to take on opponents.
4. Better durability, no. Bourne was still able to disarm armed policemen after being shot and getting into a massive car crash. He survives getting shot and freefalling 10 stories into water and is still able to swim away. Fighting with some leg injury that Bourne wouldn't have gotten in the first place is again unimpressive comparatively.
5. No rules means Bourne will annihilate Boyka without question. Bourne isn't just trained at martial arts. His mind analyzes the most effective way to take down his opponent, no matter what skill level. Boyka will get his limbs snapped like Castel, and then his neck.

Your move.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again "if, if, if". If it goes to the ground, Bourne's still the super-assassin trained to kill.

I indeed do. Bourne's specialized to kill as quickly as possible; that's what he does best. Boyka isn't.

Edit: Playback not allowed, so here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UeMY731118

Boyka's fights are no where as brutal or intense, more concerned on silly choreography than anything else. Might as well be watching children fight in comparison.

Yea, too bad they didn't teach him enough H2H.

You know what I noticed? Three things:
1. Matt Damon can't fight for shit
2. Bourne's ground game is shit.
3. Bourne has to resort to using something as a weapon in every fight

Compare that shaky-cam diarrhea to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmOZRugYGOo

Boyka is noticeably more skilled, Matty can't even throw a proper punch while this nigga is throwing around perfect punches and spinning kicks and shit. Your clip makes Boyka looks superhuman in comparison to Bourne. This is a stomp for Boyka.

Originally posted by Lestov16
1. Faster, no. Bourne disarms people with guns before they can blink.
2. More skilled, no. Bourne has $30 million super soldier training to be superlative in all forms of combat. Beating down a tournament of prison thugs is unimpressive comparatively.
3. More agile, no. Bourne outruns police squads on rooftops, hops through windows, and is still able to take on opponents.
4. Better durability, no. Bourne was still able to disarm armed policemen after being shot and getting into a massive car crash. He survives getting shot and freefalling 10 stories into water and is still able to swim away. Fighting with some leg injury that Bourne wouldn't have gotten in the first place is again unimpressive comparatively.
5. No rules means Bourne will annihilate Boyka without question. Bourne isn't just trained at martial arts. His mind analyzes the most effective way to take down his opponent, no matter what skill level. Boyka will get his limbs snapped like Castel, and then his neck.

Your move.

1.Cool. Boyka still hits faster.
2.More impressive than beating down featless henchmen. Especially when we see Boyka's skills on screen and they vastly overshadow Bourne's.
3.LMAO. Anyone can do that shit. When Bourne can perform a perfect spinning kick on an opponent with a broken knee then we'll talk.
4.Some leg injury? A broken knee cripples you for life, buddy. The fact that Boyka did what he did with it makes him at least as good as Bourne, if not superior.
5.Boyka fights in matches without rules anyway. Bourne isn't breaking shit when Boyka has him beat in all categories. Based on Robtard's clip Bourne is so shit at H2H that he has to resort to weapons every time.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yea, too bad they didn't teach him enough H2H.

You know what I noticed? Three things:
1. Matt Damon can't fight for shit
2. Bourne's ground game is shit.
3. Bourne has to resort to using something as a weapon in every fight

Compare that shaky-cam diarrhea to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmOZRugYGOo

Boyka is noticeably more skilled, Matty can't even throw a proper punch while this nigga is throwing around perfect punches and spinning kicks and shit. Your clip makes Boyka looks superhuman in comparison to Bourne. This is a stomp for Boyka.

Skilled? No. Fancier moves that are not necessary and are a useless waste of energy in a real fight? Sure.

Also noticed that the hand fighting is much slower than Bourne choreography, lots of sloppy choreographed punches and when Boyka goes to do some fancy kick his opponent is waiting for him to finish it. But when the budget of Undisputed 3 is just 3million dollars, it's no wonder the fighting was silly.

Bourne would break both of them at the same time, likely.

Originally posted by Robtard
Skilled? No. Fancier moves that are not necessary and are a useless waste of energy in a real fight? Sure.

Also noticed that the hand fighting is much slower than Bourne choreography, lots of sloppy choreographed punches and when Boyka goes to do some fancy kick his opponent is waiting for him to finish it. But when the budget of Undisputed 3 is just 3million dollars, it's no wonder the fighting was silly.

Bourne would break both of them at the same time, likely.

I think that's a bit too much. I can see why you think Bourne is more skilled, and I can respect that. But to say that Undisputed II and III has "sloppy choreography" in comparison to the Bourne series?

Come now, that's crap and you know it. The Undisputed movies have some of the best fight choreography ever, and what makes it even more impressive is that they don't rely on close-up, shaky cam or wired-stunts. The moves Bourne makes only look fast because the freaking shaky-cam doesn't allow you to properly see anything.

Are peeps trying to analyze Bourne from their MMA armchair?

Originally posted by Robtard
Skilled? No. Fancier moves that are not necessary and are a useless waste of energy in a real fight? Sure.

Also noticed that the hand fighting is much slower than Bourne choreography, lots of sloppy choreographed punches and when Boyka goes to do some fancy kick his opponent is waiting for him to finish it. But when the budget of Undisputed 3 is just 3million dollars, it's no wonder the fighting was silly.

Bourne would break both of them at the same time, likely.

They would be a waste of energy in real life because they're almost impossible to pull off, but Boyka and Dolor are clearly agile enough to do them. Much more agile than Bourne has ever been.

It's not sloppy or slow at all, what is wrong with you? Bourne fight scenes look intense because of the shaky-cam and countless cutaways used to hide Matt Damon's ineptitude. Undisputed's fights are done by guys who know what they're doing, which is why they look so good. By comparison Bourne's fight scenes look like slap fights, I couldn't see a single properly thrown punch or kick, never mind anything as complex as an aerial spin kick. And then there's Boyka's ground game which Bourne has no answer to.

Unlikely given Bourne's inability to win a straight fight without resorting to weapons and Boyka's skill and physical superiority. I understand if you have a crush on Matt Damon, Rob, but you have to face facts.