I just asked you a question. A question in no way ever putting words into persons mouth.
you said it was my idea. You put words in my mouth, but, thats okay. You can do that, i can point it out.
It is a very silly argument. It assumes sense everyone is not happy, that an omnipotent God cannot be omnipotent.
in your opinion its silly, in mine its a topic for conversation so, in my opinion one of is wasting his time over a silly argument, and, it aint me.
Are YOU assuming everyone IS happy? Just asking; dont want to put words in your mouth.
What if God doesn't want everyone happy? Now the argument falls apart.
is that question rhetorical? Not personally knowing any gods, any opinions i have on their actions is speculation on my part. Arent yours?
So no, i dont think the argument falls apart at all.
Originally posted by riv6672
you said it was my idea. You put words in my mouth, but, thats okay. You can do that, i can point it out.
Originally posted by riv6672
in your opinion its silly, in mine its a topic for conversation so, in my opinion one of is wasting his time over a silly argument, and, it aint me.
Originally posted by riv6672
Are YOU assuming everyone IS happy? Just asking; dont want to put words in your mouth.
Originally posted by riv6672
is that question rhetorical? Not personally knowing any gods, any opinions i have on their actions is speculation on my part. Arent yours?
Originally posted by riv6672
So no, i dont think the argument falls apart at all.
Originally posted by riv6672
Haha, man you are one argumentative SOB.
Thanks for for being true to form and helping me turn this thread into one giant waste of time. 👆
From the very beginning you were the ass.
Originally posted by riv6672
How you know? You arent omnipotent.
Originally posted by riv6672
So you say. You arent omnipotent.
Originally posted by riv6672
How would i know i'm not omnipotent.
Originally posted by riv6672
It doesnt take onnipotence to fixate on one word in someone's post and try and sound smart either. 😛
Originally posted by riv6672
I guess i cant make everyone happy. 😉
Originally posted by riv6672
Oh puh-lease, i'm not God. At most a minor deity. 😂
So when I tried to meet you half way, you did this:
Originally posted by riv6672
It wasnt my idea.
I also said it was, to me, a perfectly valid argument.I can think an argument is perfectly valid and not agree with it. I never made my actual opinion on the argument known.
So basically, stop putting words in my mouth yo. 😉
So, don't give me this "you are such an SOB" crap!
Originally posted by riv6672
So...you ARENT seeing this as funny.Well, thank you for the multiple posts on the topic you didnt think much of anyway.
AND the quick response.
Sorry i had you wait 2 1/2 hours for you to respond in under 10 minutes. Had to download wood for my tree house. 🙂
I look forward to your next thread!
Re: God's omnipotence
Originally posted by riv6672
Got me thinking of God's omnipotence. Googled away, and found a, to me, perfectly valid argument as to why he's not.He cant please everybody.
in the Bible, although God is "almighty" in a sense that He is the most powerful being, the supreme being - He is NOT "omnipotent" in a sense that there are things He cannot do...
Re: Re: God's omnipotence
Originally posted by dyajeep
in the Bible, although God is "almighty" in a sense that He is the most powerful being, the supreme being - He is NOT "omnipotent" in a sense that there are things He cannot do...
Indeed. For instance, any covenant He made, ever. He is bound by the covenant for as long as the other end of the covenant is upheld.
I had this argument as a kid in Sunday School. Most people create logical problems or God's omnipotence due to a willful lack of understanding of what his omnipotence is. His omnipotence is great for anything He wants to do but not everything we want him to do.
Limited Omnipotence makes more sense. God will operate, omnipotently, in a specific area of operation. There are areas he will not dabble in. I think some Christians have justified God's ability to do literally anything by His indirect influences...such as Lucifer and humans. God can, indirectly, be truly omnipotent that way.
also, the Bible really states some things God cannot do, for example:
"In hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,"
Titus 1:2
"That by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us."
Hebrews 6:18
God cannot lie...
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning."
James 1:17
God cannot change His being...
"If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself."
II Timothy 2:13
God cannot deny Himself...
God does not even know everything... in the same logic that He's not omnipotent but almighty, He is also not omniscient nor omnipresent...
Re: God's omnipotence
Originally posted by riv6672
I posted in the Christianity Symbolism thread yesterday about an early church experience.
Got me thinking of God's omnipotence. Googled away, and found a, to me, perfectly valid argument as to why he's not.He cant please everybody.
Mind linking the article.
http://books.google.com/books?id=MyxZWqisDwUC&pg=PA183&lpg=PA183&dq=even+god+can't+please+everyone&source=bl&ots=ptaFu-GxMJ&sig=jde6COt21VNJ4yEcu61vjxtlcUk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=px9WVLnMAquQigKUq4HoAg&ved=0CD4Q6AEwCg
Originally posted by riv6672
I googled omnipotence and this was one of the results. I can see why it would come up.
If you dont agree with me on that, lets not drag it out for a page and a half, please. I already did that here yesterday...😉
Im just not seeing what text you are talking about from that ebook, can you copy paste here?