http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BoQ6ZC8EUQ0
Here's a good example of the other side not being omnipotent, either (or too potent for their own good). Love this story.
Originally posted by dyajeep
also, the Bible really states some things God cannot do, for example:"In hope of eternal life which [b]God, who cannot lie
, promised before time began,"
Titus 1:2"That by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us."
Hebrews 6:18God cannot lie...
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning."
James 1:17God cannot change His being...
"If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself."
II Timothy 2:13God cannot deny Himself...
God does not even know everything... in the same logic that He's not omnipotent but almighty, He is also not omniscient nor omnipresent... [/B]
You could read those three aspects as the very same thing. The first would be the quality of perfect creation, whatever is said by the divinity inmediately is hence, it cannot be considered false as its becoming true by the statement itself (performative speech). With language as an effective action, a rebuttal of divinty would be entirely impossible. Since there are no possible rebuttals, there cannot be an absence either so transformation is also separated from the divine essence.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Oh ok, I see it. No he can't please everyone, that would infringe on free will that he gave us, but since we are all different, what makes some happy might make other sad.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I'm not arguing against his omnipotence.
That's not the point, my friend. Out of all the arguments against God's omnipotence, this one:
Originally posted by riv6672
I posted in the Christianity Symbolism thread yesterday about an early church experience.
Got me thinking of God's omnipotence. Googled away, and found a, to me, perfectly valid argument as to why he's not.He cant please everybody.
...is the worst of all. Do you disagree?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Why do you believe there is no God? I think you told me but I forgot.
I am not an Atheist. I simply believe that the Christian god is man made just like the Greek and Egyptian gods it was derived from. God cannot be written in a book, is what I believe.
Edit (That's Egyptian, not Encryption) lol
Originally posted by dyajeep
also, the Bible really states some things God cannot do, for example:"In hope of eternal life which [b]God, who cannot lie
, promised before time began,"
Titus 1:2"That by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us."
Hebrews 6:18God cannot lie...
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning."
James 1:17God cannot change His being...
"If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself."
II Timothy 2:13God cannot deny Himself...
God does not even know everything... in the same logic that He's not omnipotent but almighty, He is also not omniscient nor omnipresent... [/B]
This is a great post.
Here's why: I'm an arrogant bastard, at times, and your post perfectly validates my point about God having limited Omnipotence.
Yup, I'm an arrogant bastard, this time. 🙁
Originally posted by Bentley
You could read those three aspects as the very same thing. The first would be the quality of perfect creation, whatever is said by the divinity inmediately is hence, it cannot be considered false as its becoming true by the statement itself (performative speech). With language as an effective action, a rebuttal of divinty would be entirely impossible. Since there are no possible rebuttals, there cannot be an absence either so transformation is also separated from the divine essence.
Oh, yeah, that's probably true, as well. If He uttered a lie, it would become instantly true because He's omnipotent. So, yeah, I see the logical construct you just designed, here. Quite clever, sir.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Oh yes, I disagree with that one. I was just trying to understand where he was coming from.
I've made enough threads here for everyone to know i just like starting conversations. Doesnt mean i endorse the viewpoints, i just think they'll get people talking, getting their differing opinion freak on.
In shaky's case he can get his fixate and not let it go freak on. And i can get my lets see how many times i can get this guy to post freak on. 👆
Originally posted by riv6672
Well shaky comes from the land if " i like to argue will pretend i dont care about the subject but will go at it for a page and a half anyway". 😂I've made enough threads here for everyone to know i just like starting conversations. Doesnt mean i endorse the viewpoints, i just think they'll get people talking, getting their differing opinion freak on.
In shaky's case he can get his fixate and not let it go freak on. And i can get my lets see how many times i can get this guy to post freak on. 👆
Feel free, I like your threads, I like debates.
Originally posted by riv6672
Well shaky comes from the land if " i like to argue will pretend i dont care about the subject but will go at it for a page and a half anyway". 😂I've made enough threads here for everyone to know i just like starting conversations. Doesnt mean i endorse the viewpoints, i just think they'll get people talking, getting their differing opinion freak on.
In shaky's case he can get his fixate and not let it go freak on. And i can get my lets see how many times i can get this guy to post freak on. 👆
Originally posted by riv6672
How you know? You arent omnipotent.