Darth Traya vs Emperor Malgus

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Based iPinoy

He has little feats to even be "rated."

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Based
Based on what?

You find me a single example in the official material in which a master of Force Drain talents have literally one-shotted a (legit) powerful Force-user with them.

I am aware of the fact that both Darth Traya and Darth Nihilus have killed some Jedi Masters with masterful use of Force Drain related applications but those Jedi Masters are unsubstantiated in comparison to likes of well-known powerhouses of the lore such as Darth Malgus and Jedi Masters such as Revan, Yoda and Luke Skywalker.

Force Drain isn't a poorly understood phenomenon among the Sith in general and a prominent Sith Lord such as Malgus might be aware of its mechanics and may have some kind of answer for it; he is confirmed to be capable of conjuring a powerful protective bubble around himself which protects him from external assaults during times of vulnerability.

Revan also have knowledge of Force Drain related applications and he is extremely good at defending himself from external threats. Revan is apparently even more proficient then Darth Malgus at defending himself from external threats.

I am not sure about Yoda and Luke but they would have thought about improving their chances at countering Force Drain related applications in a way as well. Luke, I believe, faced this issue during his confrontation with Abeloth alongside Darth Krayt.

I am not implying no-limits fallacy for powerhouses such as Malgus, Revan, Yoda and Luke in regard to defending themselves from all kinds of external threats, none are invincible, but I don't believe that these individuals can be easily taken down with Force Drain related options during combative situations as some fans assume.

Originally posted by Based
Your observation means absolutely nothing without evidence.

My observation is about inflated beliefs of fans vis-à-vis effectiveness of Force Drain related applications in combative situations. Many tend to believe that Traya and Nihilus will one-shot virtually anybody with their Force Drain talents but I am critical of this belief.

Originally posted by Based
Again, an hypothesis without evidence. One can easily counter that this technique is not easily mastered, evidence by your onetruegod Vitiate needing rituals to perform the same thing. This is probably y u so mad about KOTOR II.

Emperor is undoubtedly a master of Force Drain related talents and he have utilized them in various ways throughout his span of existence. He made extensive use of these talents in both ritualistic and normal ways to consume others on planetary scale, increase his power and appease his hunger by feeding on many individuals simultaneously irrespective of distance factor.

Just because we don't see Emperor one-shotting individuals with Force Drain related applications or BioWare not being eager to demonstrate the power of Emperor in different ways, doesn't implies that he or a Force-user of his competence and power cannot duplicate feats of Traya and Nihilus at will. Keep in mind that Emperor profoundly grew in power after the Ritual of Nathema and is implied to pull off this ritual single-handedly during the era of Revan, let alone his implied peak.

Yes, I understand that Force Drain is a difficult talent to master but it would be asinine to assume that many Sith (Lords) with great potential would lack aptitude for these talents. Holistically, Force Drain related applications aren't regarded as one of the best choices for offensive purposes in the lore and BioWare sticks to this consideration.

Originally posted by Based
I don't think anyone on this board can say what is or is not constructive, least of all you with your technique being mostly relentlessly stubborn. So I don't know what this high horse is about.

I am not stubborn, rather open-minded. I do have some solid beliefs but they are not unfounded. Don't try to pretend that you know better then me about all aspects of Star Wars or foolishly assume that I don't have experience and history of debates related to Star Wars and haven't learned much. I predicted Revan as an incredibly powerful Force-user and masterful adept of lightsaber combat long before a novel featuring him came out when some fans were touting about the same character using guns and grenades to overcome overwhelming odds; official revelations favored my interpretations over those of other clowns.

Originally posted by Based
You're critiquing everyone yet have provide no shreds of evidence of a viable defense of the force drain. I will say that I share you're obvious distaste of the technique but it exists either way. I'm not ignoring it because I don't like it.

I am not critiquing fellow members blindly rather critiquing some prevalent fanon assumptions, this have been my way for a long time and represents my "out-of-the-box" thinking tendencies. It is amusing that some accuse me of being stubborn but do not realize that they themselves are even more rigid about sticking to traditional assumptions for some aspects of the lore.

I don't have a problem with Force Drain related applications being a practical option to overcome opponents in combative situations but I am skeptical of the assumption that they cannot be defended against without being a Wound just because Traya said so who is known to be a manipulative witch.