Rumors are SSG = SSJ4.
Problem is, even Mr. Toriyama forgot about power levels.
He said if SSG Goku is a 6, then Beers is a 10 and Whis is a 15.
He forgot to mention anything about SSJ1 Vegito, who was the strongest being in the entire DBZ canon before BoG.
How a hypothetical SSJ3 or SSG Vegito would stack up against Beers.
Originally posted by Astner
Godly ki is exclusive to gods and it may well be beyond what can be achieved normally.Beerus took out Mystic Gohan without effort, and Goku said that even with fusion they wouldn't be able to take on Beerus.
2. Beers taking out Ultimate Gohan means jackshit. SSJ1 Vegito would've done the same. Heck, he was toying with Buuhan (who is much stronger than Ultimate Gohan) even before powering up to SSJ1.
SSJ1 Vegito was so insanely strong, he retained his strength and durability even in candy form.
3. The fusion that Goku referred to is likely the Fusion Dance. Which is a weaker fusion form that has a time limit and simply adds the power of two individuals, whereas the Potara is permanent and multiplies the power of two individuals.
The rivalry between Vegeta and Goku made them the perfect compatible partners for the Potara Fusion, hence they were stronger than anyone else in DBZ (prior to BoG).
OK so when goku asked beeruce for a sparing match at the begining
of the movie beeruce only used 3% power and he completely destroyed ssj3 goku at the end of the movie when beeruce fought ssjgod goku and beat him it was stated he was using 70% power do the math
that means ssjgod goku is roughly 24 times stronger than ssj3
this isnt a full proof calculation but its as close as we can get
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygonGoku stated that Beerus>Vegito(that's why he didn't even attempt fusion.)
He forgot to mention anything about SSJ1 Vegito, who was the strongest being in the entire DBZ canon before BoG.
How a hypothetical SSJ3 or SSG Vegito would stack up against Beers.
Anyway, Beerus effortlessly KO'd SSJ3 Goku with a few flicks of his hand--he also beat Mystic Gohan and co. just as easily(except when Vegeta inextricably channeled dat rage-powa, which briefly made him more powerful than SSJ3 Goku.) Conversely, SSJG Goku put up a good fight against Beerus. That is to say: it actually required a bit of effort for Beerus to win, and forced him to use around 70% of his power--which, sans his matches with Whis, was unprecedented.
ie. Beerus(@70%)>>SSJG Goku>>>>>Vegito>>>>>everything else.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Rumors are SSG = SSJ4.Problem is, even Mr. Toriyama forgot about power levels.
He said if SSG Goku is a 6, then Beers is a 10 and Whis is a 15.
He forgot to mention anything about SSJ1 Vegito, who was the strongest being in the entire DBZ canon before BoG.
How a hypothetical SSJ3 or SSG Vegito would stack up against Beers.
Makes sense, thank you.
Well, in regards to the thread... God mode is much stronger.
Basically, Toriyama said that SSJ1 was to base form, as God mode is to SSJ3. This implies that God mode is a 50X boost on SSJ3.
The trick though, is that godly ki was stated by Bills to be unaffected by regular ki. This means you have to distinguish whether Godly ki is so much stronger that it just doesn't matter, or it has some special property that makes it unaffected by ki. If it's not the latter, then you have to distinguish at what point ki DOES matter, and CAN affect Godly ki.
Most likely though, at some point, ki just becomes so powerful that it becomes classified as Godly ki, which would make it comparable to the difference between a Red super-giant and a black hole.
If this is true, then we can conclude that anyone 50X stronger than SSJ3 Goku would be able to use Godly ki, and that's lowballing, as though SSJG is the lowest point of Godly ki. However, there is nothing suggesting otherwise, so we have to use God mode as a bottom line.
This means that Bills(70%) > SSJG Goku >>> Vegetto > SSJ3 Goku.
However, SSJ1 IS a 50X boost to base, meaning that ACTUALLY: Bills(70%) ~ SSJ1 Vegetto > SSJG Goku >>> Vegetto > SSJ3 Goku.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I wonder where Goku's power was at when he was still going toe to toe with Bills after he lost god mode.
He must still be around 60% of Beers' powah (based on Toriyama's calculations and Beers' statement of being at 70%).
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
He stated it himself in the movie that he retained the knowledge to be at that level, or something similar to that effect.He must still be around 60% of Beers' powah (based on Toriyama's calculations and Beers' statement of being at 70%).
Yea I know, just curious why he had to transform back into God mode to stop that blast.
Originally posted by BloodRain
What's you're view on what happened then?
What I said in my first post.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Goku admitted that Vegeta surpassed him.
Goku also didn't go SSJ3 against Majin Vegeta to spare his feelings. That was with the fate of the world hanging in the balance.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
BoG SSJ2 Vegeta was stronger than Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku.
Disagree. But I wasn't talking about Buu Saga SSJ3, I'm talking about BoG SSJ3.