Originally posted by BloodRain
I'm not sure what your first post has to do with Vegeta drawing blood from him.
That's the only "argument" you have going.
SSJ3 Goku actually never landed a hit on Bills, so there is no comparison = invalid argument.
But SSG was unable to draw blood from Bills, so I suppose SSJ2 Vegeta > SSG Goku. And I guess if thats the case, its not out of the realm of possibility that Vegeta = Bills, since SSG Goku is about 70% of Bills.
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It's not an argument. I'm literally backing nothing besides "He drew blood".
Not bothered whether Vegeta was just a jump stronger than S3 Goku or if he was closer to SGod, or whether Billyboy was suppressing his strength. All we know was that he was stated to have gotten stronger than Goku I'm that moment, and he proved to inflict even minor damage where S3 couldn't do a thing.
It supports my point that it's only the strength of ki, not type, that matters.
Originally posted by Placidity
That's the only "argument" you have going.SSJ3 Goku actually never landed a hit on Bills, so there is no comparison = invalid argument.
But SSG was unable to draw blood from Bills, so I suppose SSJ2 Vegeta > SSG Goku. And I guess if thats the case, its not out of the realm of possibility that Vegeta = Bills, since SSG Goku is about 70% of Bills.
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Completely wrong way to look at it. In no shape or form is S2 Vegeta on par with GG.
Vegeta got flicked in the face and was instant KO. When SS3 Goku got flicked in the face he recovered and kept fighting.
GG went toe to toe with Bills, something Vegeta could not do. Infact, Bills never even blocked or tried to defend against Bills, he sat there and tanked it all.
SSJ 2 relies mostly on diabolical, sinister, sadistic, MAKE IT SUFFER rage so its comprehendible that Vegeta could attain the most powerful SSJ 2 form. Like Goku and Gohan perfected SSJ 1 because its definition was an enraged pure heart.
As for SSJ 3 I'd say Gotenks version was much more effective and didn't tire out. But i'm not sure what the conditions for SSJ 3 are.
Stated Goku could have surpassed Bills and will surpass him.
The SSJG Goku=6, Beerus=10, and Whis=15 scale isn't exactly new news. Here's the actual article/interview:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/
(it's a little more admissible than a random Irishman talking about it on YouTube, imo.)
Also, Akira didn't state that SSJG Goku could have surpassed Beerus in BoG. He stated that, due to the Saiyan trait of progressively becoming more powerful in the heat of battle, it may have been possible for Goku to have closed, or as he put it, "shrink" the power-gap a bit. Perhaps Goku could have increased to a 7 or 8 to Beerus' 10..? Who knows? Either way, Goku could definitely NOT have beaten Beerus in BoG--that much was made clear by Goku himself(and also by Beerus, when it was revealed that he was able to tool Goku so easily while using <70% of his power.)
But as Akira noted: future films will almost certainly be a different story, and we'll see the Saiyans(Goku and Vegeta) far surpass the power of Beerus... And likely even Whis as well(even though the latter is more than 2x> Goku, currently.) /shrug