I'd think there was a big hoax going on until I got verification aside from the media/web, as in seeing it for myself outside in the real world with my own two eyes. It wouldn't necessarily have to be a government that was perpetrating the fraud. It could be an organization of hackers who hijacked television feeds and redirected internet traffic to false websites that were running their hoax material in order to create a public panic, or it could be a collaborative media ploy for viewership or a re-enactment of the CBS War of the Worlds radio broadcast of 1938, but utilizing modern media/technology as an homage. My first inclination would be that something so extraordinary would need a very good explanation, particularly something 'magical' in nature.
We all know that even if Christ showed up exactly as it was described (read all those scriptural quotes I made about it), there would still be those atheists blogging/posting about how this is all a giant hoax by the Christians, that there's no way to know for sure that this is Jesus, and they could be aliens.
No amount of proven miracles will convince them. Even if Christ did them right in front of them: they still wouldn't believe...or at least they'd say they don't. At best, they'd move to "agnostic."
And what if a godlike AI visited earth and could prove it was as close to omniscient as possible and it said that no creator God or gods exist and that it is the highest form of intelligence in the universe? You'd get the same thing from the theists as the atheists; they'd rationalize the existence of God, anyway.
Originally posted by red g jacks
i can understand that. what if you did see it with your own two eyes, would you be convinced then? i still think i would question my own sanity at that point but i'd go along for the ride either way.
If I saw it with my own eyes along with other people, say, 20-30 other people from my condo community and I witnessing a giant 7 headed red dragon or one of the ships from the Will Smith Independence Day film descending from space and destroying half of San Francisco and Oakland and engaging in dogfights with fighter jets, I'd be more inclined to believe it was really happening and not simply a media hoax as I'd have real world first hand confirmation of the event taking place with other people their in my presence to corroborate and confirm what we were mutually witnessing taking place (and likely running for our lives from).
However, I for one wouldn't "bend a knee" if Armageddon transpired. My issue with Judeo-Christian religion is multifaceted. I don't 'believe', in an overarching manner, because there's no evidence of the supernatural whole cloth. I've been presented with nothing that suggest the paranormal/supernatural/magical exists, just claims and stories and myths, so no reason to accept the claims made in the book(s) being factual. Moreover, if the descriptions of the Old Testament/Torah/Talmud were in fact accurate, I find the character and accounts of Yahweh/Jehovah as that of an immoral, homicidal, genocidal, infanticidal, racist tyrant not worthy of my worship or reverence. I'm sure I could find the same issues with Zeus, Kali, Ahura Mazda, etc. as well by reading their religious texts and mythos in full, but I was raised in the U.S. as a Christian so it's what I know best, and I'm pretty sure most Christians don't fear the wrath of Kali or Zeus. Would I be scared if it actually occurred and I witnessed it firsthand? Hell yes. It'd be a damn magic world war with a f*ckin giant red 7 headed King Ghidorah dragon going apeshit.
I have convictions. If the descriptions in the Bible are true, as in Yahweh/Jehovah actually being such a cruel petty being that he would magically summon bears to slaughter a group of children for making fun of one of his prophet's baldness, or 'curse' humanity with various languages in order to keep us divided and incapable of reaching our full potential as a united humanity, he's not worthy IMO. He'd be all powerful, but he'd be an immature racist as$hole. I expect more than that of the women I date. I'd expect magnitudes more from the all knowing creator of all things, particularly since he expects me to worship him. I'll just pack up my Jordans and PS4 and take the elevator down.
The funny thing is that even if the apocalypse was happening we would still ignore how literal the descriptions of the Bible were. We'd have to make choices blindly, some reactions taken "just to be safe" could prove idiotic after some context.
Even if the bible implied it, I don't think I could deal with any god asking me to behave like an stupid kid and ignore my moral responsability. Wasn't that the whole point of invalidating animal sacrifice as a mean to redeem your sins? I'm not even trying to establish a higher ground here, I don't think I could truly become tame enough to just accept stuff that underminds humanity even if I tried.
Originally posted by red g jacks
but what would you think is happening if every source you turned to had the same story. like what kind of game do you think they would be playing to pull a stunt like that.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
If I saw it with my own eyes along with other people, say, 20-30 other people from my condo community and I witnessing a giant 7 headed red dragon or one of the ships from the Will Smith Independence Day film descending from space and destroying half of San Francisco and Oakland and engaging in dogfights with fighter jets, I'd be more inclined to believe it was really happening and not simply a media hoax as I'd have real world first hand confirmation of the event taking place with other people their in my presence to corroborate and confirm what we were mutually witnessing taking place (and likely running for our lives from).However, I for one wouldn't "bend a knee" if Armageddon transpired. My issue with Judeo-Christian religion is multifaceted. I don't 'believe', in an overarching manner, because there's no evidence of the supernatural whole cloth. I've been presented with nothing that suggest the paranormal/supernatural/magical exists, just claims and stories and myths, so no reason to accept the claims made in the book(s) being factual. Moreover, if the descriptions of the Old Testament/Torah/Talmud were in fact accurate, I find the character and accounts of Yahweh/Jehovah as that of an immoral, homicidal, genocidal, infanticidal, racist tyrant not worthy of my worship or reverence. I'm sure I could find the same issues with Zeus, Kali, Ahura Mazda, etc. as well by reading their religious texts and mythos in full, but I was raised in the U.S. as a Christian so it's what I know best, and I'm pretty sure most Christians don't fear the wrath of Kali or Zeus. Would I be scared if it actually occurred and I witnessed it firsthand? Hell yes. It'd be a damn magic world war with a f*ckin giant red 7 headed King Ghidorah dragon going apeshit.
Of course it's easy for you to act all defiant now and say that you "wouldn't bend a knee" but when Christ returns as King of all Kings your legs will be quivering like jelly from the fear and YOU WILL KNEEL along with every single other person on this entire planet.
Originally posted by Star428
Of course it's easy for you to act all defiant now and say that you "wouldn't bend a knee" but when Christ returns as King of all Kings your legs will be quivering like jelly from the fear and YOU WILL KNEEL along with every single other person on this entire planet.
So, Jesus will rule by fear? In other words, Jesus will be a tyrant? What ever happened to the all loving god?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Maybe it's Aliens pretending to be Jesus.
Maybe it's Jesus pretending to be an alien... 😉
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Why would Jesus/God need CNN or BBC when he's supposed to have all power imaginable? It would be a "What does God need with a starship?" moment for me.
Why would God need a book, church, set of rules for lesser beings?