Healing doesnt mean they dont bleed though. They never made any hint that he could heal, only that he was not affected by normal ki. Im just saying if he was bleeding from the mouth how come there was no blood on his lip at all.
Buu and Cell have had that happen to them.
This is why I say this scene is over analyzed.
Originally posted by bbrem123
Healing doesnt mean they dont bleed though. They never made any hint that he could heal, only that he was not affected by normal ki. Im just saying if he was bleeding from the mouth how come there was no blood on his lip at all.Buu and Cell have had that happen to them.
This is why I say this scene is over analyzed.
But if he healed then a quick spurt of blood and then no blood would make perfect sense. He was never harmed enought for healing to be on display, but I wouldn't count it out. Piccolo can heal, Frieza can heal, Cell and heal and Buu can heal. Every major villian had healing in some way. Seems like Akira has a thing for healers.
There are a number of reasons why there was no blood on his lip. Saying "It didn't really happen" is not one of them
Nothing is being over analyzed. A very very very very very small injury was inflicted on Bills by Vegeta. That proved that enought normal ki can indeed affect godly ki
Originally posted by juggermanFrieza took a kick from base Goku. We see a bruise. Very similar situation. Clearly frieza was injured.
But if he healed then a quick spurt of blood and then no blood would make perfect sense. He was never harmed enought for healing to be on display, but I wouldn't count it out. Piccolo can heal, Frieza can heal, Cell and heal and Buu can heal. Every major villian had healing in some way. Seems like Akira has a thing for healers.There are a number of reasons why there was no blood on his lip. Saying "It didn't really happen" is not one of them
Nothing is being over analyzed. A very very very very very small injury was inflicted on Bills by Vegeta. That proved that enought normal ki can indeed affect godly ki
Also since when can frieza heal?
You cant just make up powers for somebody. Beerus was never stated to have healing abilities.
Just like I said, over analyzing. The fact you have to say very 5 times proves this.
We are going in circles here. Lets just agree to disagree 👆
Originally posted by bbrem123
Frieza took a kick from base Goku. We see a bruise. Very similar situation. Clearly frieza was injured.Also since when can frieza heal?
You cant just make up powers for somebody. Beerus was never stated to have healing abilities.
Just like I said, over analyzing. The fact you have to say very 5 times proves this.
Frieza heals when he transforms. His tail was cut by Krillen and then he changed and it was back. All injuries disappeared as well. That ick had lasting damage since Frieza could no longer transform and heal
I'm not making them up, I'm pointing out it's a possibility
Not at all. Just getting it across that Bills sustained a ridiculously small amount of damage. Wouldn't have to if people weren't trying to ignore on screen events
We can tell a few things things from Goku and Vegetas fight against Bills.
1. Vegeta only surpassed Goku is taking a beating.
2. Vegeta did not surpass Goku in any other manner.
3. Goku took two hits to go down, Vegeta took one.
4. Blood or no blood. Bills was not hurt.
5. Gogeta still wins based on him being Omega level.
Originally posted by juggerman
Frieza heals when he transforms. His tail was cut by Krillen and then he changed and it was back. All injuries disappeared as well. That ick had lasting damage since Frieza could no longer transform and healI'm not making them up, I'm pointing out it's a possibility
Not at all. Just getting it across that Bills sustained a ridiculously small amount of damage. Wouldn't have to if people weren't trying to ignore on screen events
bills sustained the same amount damage a brick wall would if you punched it with your fists.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
We can tell a few things things from Goku and Vegetas fight against Bills.1. Vegeta only surpassed Goku is taking a beating.
2. Vegeta did not surpass Goku in any other manner.
3. Goku took two hits to go down, Vegeta took one.
4. Blood or no blood. Bills was not hurt.
5. Gogeta still wins based on him being Omega level.
1. True.
2. False.
3. False.
4. Kind of true, but ultimately False.
5. True.
What we can ACTUALLY tell from the fights, is this:
1. Yes, Vegeta managed to surpass Goku in durability. Clearly.
2. Vegeta bloodied Bills. Goku didn't land a hit on him. He clearly also surpassed Goku in offensive power.
3. Vegeta also gave a vicious combo to Bills, that bloodied him, and did clear damage. Goku, again, didn't land a single hit. Goku clearly expended RIDICULOUSLY less ki than Vegeta did, and he still got two-shotted by Bills.
I'm also going to point out that Vegeta did NOT get one-shotted by Bills. While a SSJ2, before Goten and Trunks even fused, Vegeta took a combo from Bills of AT LEAST 22 hits, while Whiss ate sushi. This is UNBELIEVABLY more hits than Goku, A SSJ3 took from Bills. Literally 11 times more hits. That's before Bulma even got slapped, and he got his rage boost. After that, he still took a punch to the face from Bills, tanked it, and dominated him with a combo of ridiculous stature, exhausting all of his ki, and reverting to base form. He then got ko'd with a flick from a damaged, but otherwise fine, Bills. Altogether, Vegeta took AT LEAST 23 hits from Bills before being KO'd, and STILL managed to bloody him with a hardcore rage combo. That is better than ANYONE, INCLUDING SSJG GOKU did against Bills. 👆 👆 👆 👆 👆
4. While Bills was bleeding, you're right, he WASN'T "injured", per say. Before Vegeta beat him up, he was at 100%. However, even if all Vegeta did was reduce his strength by 1%, which is unlikely, as Bills was bleeding, that still would have DAMAGED Bills, no matter how slightly it was. Thus, proving that regular ki CAN damage Gods, if it's strong enough. Meaning someone as strong as SSJ2 Vegeta CAN damage Bills. No Z-fighter in BOTG's surpassed even base Vegetto, other than SSJG Goku. That is fact. SSJ1 Vegetto would, by that extension, be OVER 50X stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta, meaning he could do 50X more damage to Bills. This means, that if Vegeta did 1-1.5% damage to a 100% Bills, SSJ1 Vegetto could do AT LEAST 50-75% damage to Bills. SSJ2 is 5X SSJ1. So SSJ2 Vegetto would stomp Bills. HARD, as I said earlier.
5. Yes, Gogeta stomps, as much as SSJ4 Goku does, as much as SSJ3 GT Goku does, as much as SSJ2 GT Goku does. 👆
Originally posted by bbrem123
Healing doesnt mean they dont bleed though. They never made any hint that he could heal, only that he was not affected by normal ki. Im just saying if he was bleeding from the mouth how come there was no blood on his lip at all.Buu and Cell have had that happen to them.
This is why I say this scene is over analyzed.
He spit the blood out, genius.
Buu and Cell also regenerated immediately afterwards, every time, so they didn't have a scratch on them.
Yes, you are over-analyzing this scene. The point of it was to prove that Regular ki COULD affect godly ki, which it did a good job of doing. No matter what, Vegeta damaged Bills, no matter how insignificantly, meaning Godly ki can be hurt by regular ki. This means Vegetto stomps Bills. Refer to above post. ^
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
We can tell a few things things from Goku and Vegetas fight against Bills.1. Vegeta only surpassed Goku is taking a beating.
2. Vegeta did not surpass Goku in any other manner.
3. Goku took two hits to go down, Vegeta took one.
4. Blood or no blood. Bills was not hurt.
5. Gogeta still wins based on him being Omega level.
1. Not what was stated
2. ^
3. Vegeta took a full on punch to the face and no sold it. Goku was downed by a flick.
4. There was an injury however small
5. 👆
Originally posted by juggerman
1. Not what was stated
2. ^
3. Vegeta took a full on punch to the face and no sold it. Goku was downed by a flick.
4. There was an injury however small
5. 👆
so if you had a small hangnaill would you consider that being hurt. like would it stop you from doing any of you regularly scheduled activities
Originally posted by chasedown
so if you had a small hangnaill would you consider that being hurt. like would it stop you from doing any of you regularly scheduled activities
You do understand that in order for Bills to have bled(even the tiny amount he did) Vegeta would have had to cause some kind of damage right? To bleed that way there must have been a tear in his flesh caused by Vegeta, even if it was the size of a mosquito bite.
I feel like you guys are misunderstanding what the "Vegeta hurt him" camp is saying. We are not saying Bills was in any danger at all from Vegeta, or that Vegeta could do more than he did. We are only saying that, because Vegeta was able to do anything at all to him, it debunks the "godly ki can't be affected by normal ki stance".
*Except SSJGogeta. He seems to think Vegeta was more powerful than SSJG Goku 😬
Originally posted by juggerman
You do understand that in order for Bills to have bled(even the tiny amount he did) Vegeta would have had to cause some kind of damage right? To bleed that way there must have been a tear in his flesh caused by Vegeta, even if it was the size of a mosquito bite.I feel like you guys are misunderstanding what the "Vegeta hurt him" camp is saying. We are not saying Bills was in any danger at all from Vegeta, or that Vegeta could do more than he did. We are only saying that, because Vegeta was able to do anything at all to him, it debunks the "godly ki can't be affected by normal ki stance".
*Except SSJGogeta. He seems to think Vegeta was more powerful than SSJG Goku 😬
that didnt answer my question