Would you sell your soul?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is what I would do: I would tell the guy, there are no souls to buy. Please don't go around trying to buy souls, okay?. If you don't want the money, there are other ways of getting rid of it. You could give it to charity, or foundations that feed the poor. I would never take money that isn't mine.

Ok so say you explain to him "There is no soul and you are wasting your money, and there are other things you could do with it" and he insists he wants to specifically "buy a soul". Nothing else will do. He also says "if you don't believe then consider it payment for indulging his silliness". Now it's clear to him you don't believe you are giving anything and he is still willing to buy "nothing" from you. Would you really let it pass you by just cuz you "don't believe"?

That's what makes me think that your reservations are rooted deeper.

I just had an idea:

I'd write Shakyamunison's name down on the piece of paper, selling his soul! 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈

Originally posted by juggerman
Ok so say you explain to him "There is no soul and you are wasting your money, and there are other things you could do with it" and he insists he wants to specifically "buy a soul". Nothing else will do. He also says "if you don't believe then consider it payment for indulging his silliness". Now it's clear to him you don't believe you are giving anything and he is still willing to buy "nothing" from you. Would you really let it pass you by just cuz you "don't believe"?

That's what makes me think that your reservations are rooted deeper.

It would still be dishonest. At that point I would come to the opinion that I am talking to a "nut", and I would vacate and call the police. I would never take advantage of a mentally ill person.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I just had an idea:

I'd write Shakyamunison's name down on the piece of paper, selling his soul! 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈

Identity thief! 😱

Originally posted by juggerman
As far as the "breeding" part goes yes. That was more for humor than being my actual reaction. But he wants to buy "nothing" from you. He's basically walking up to you and saying "here's free money" iyo. In the end he gets what he wants, at a price he wants to pay and you come out no worse for wear. I really don't see that as being dishonest especially if you say you don't believe in whatever he's trying to buy and he insists.

Its absolutely dishonest! In any transaction, there must be a fair give and take. I go to the store, and I give the guy behind the counter money for a loaf of bread. He gets money and I get bread. That is a fair transaction. If the money is counterfeit or the bread is bad, then that is not a fair give and take. Just because someone is being foolish does not make a dishonest transaction legit.

I am beginning to worry about your ethics. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Its absolutely dishonest! In any transaction, there must be a fair give and take. I go to the store, and I give the guy behind the counter money for a loaf of bread. He gets money and I get bread. That is a fair transaction. If the money is counterfeit or the bread is bad, then that is not a fair give and take. Just because someone is being foolish does not make a dishonest transaction legit.

I am beginning to worry about your ethics. 😉

But who decides the worth of a "soul"?

"A fair give and take" depends on both the product and the parties. Here water isn't worth much. Maybe I shouldn't say "worth" but it doesn't cost much but go to some third world places and it has a much higher value. A painting may be worthless to me but it may auction for millions. So just because this "piece of paper" seems meaningless to you doesn't mean you are "taking advantage" if others see increased value where you don't

Originally posted by dadudemon
I just had an idea:

I'd write Shakyamunison's name down on the piece of paper, selling his soul! 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈

Ha!

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It would still be dishonest. At that point I would come to the opinion that I am talking to a "nut", and I would vacate and call the police. I would never take advantage of a mentally ill person.

Ok hypothetically you know he is not mentally ill. He's rich and bored and just wants to see if someone would actually sell thier soul. Hopefully this covers all bases. If not what other objections do you have?

Originally posted by juggerman
But who decides the worth of a "soul"?

"A fair give and take" depends on both the product and the parties. Here water isn't worth much. Maybe I shouldn't say "worth" but it doesn't cost much but go to some third world places and it has a much higher value. A painting may be worthless to me but it may auction for millions. So just because this "piece of paper" seems meaningless to you doesn't mean you are "taking advantage" if others see increased value where you don't

I would be selling him nothing for something and that is not an ethical deal. Plane and simple; I wouldn't do it. The one thing I would be protecting by not making such a dishonest deal is my Karma.

Originally posted by juggerman
Ok hypothetically you know he is not mentally ill. He's rich and bored and just wants to see if someone would actually sell thier soul. Hopefully this covers all bases. If not what other objections do you have?

It doesn't matter how much money he has. I would not have anything to do with a dishonest deal.

Would you give it away for free then? Nothing for nothing deal?

Originally posted by juggerman
Would you give it away for free then? Nothing for nothing deal?

No.

That answers my question. Thanks for playing along. 👆

Originally posted by juggerman
That answers my question. Thanks for playing along. 👆

Would you sign a document that said you would give nothing for nothing in return?

Is the signature what you have issue with? And if you didn't have to sign it? Maybe just write "My soul" on paper and hand it over? It seems as tho you are just looking for reasons not to part with something you say you don't believe you have. That just seems weird to me. Maybe I'm just asking the question wrong and if that's the case I do apologise.

How about this: Is there a scenario where you would be comfortable selling or giving away your proverbial soul to another human being? If so please explain. If not just say no.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Would you sign a document that said you would give nothing for nothing in return?

I don't want you to think I'm just gonna ask you questions while dodging the ones you ask me. Knee jerk answer is no, but since we've been talking about this and it's kinda established what we are referring to without being too vague or potentially hazardous in some unknown way I don't see that harm. Again this is within the hypothetical realm we've created here. I wouldn't just go around signing stuff that I had no clue about.

Also I'm reading back on the comments and I feel like I may have come off a bit dickish. If that's the way it seems I apologize

Originally posted by juggerman
Is the signature what you have issue with? And if you didn't have to sign it? Maybe just write "My soul" on paper and hand it over? It seems as tho you are just looking for reasons not to part with something you say you don't believe you have. That just seems weird to me. Maybe I'm just asking the question wrong and if that's the case I do apologise.

How about this: Is there a scenario where you would be comfortable selling or giving away your proverbial soul to another human being? If so please explain. If not just say no.

I don't want you to think I'm just gonna ask you questions while dodging the ones you ask me. Knee jerk answer is no, but since we've been talking about this and it's kinda established what we are referring to without being too vague or potentially hazardous in some unknown way I don't see that harm. Again this is within the hypothetical realm we've created here. I wouldn't just go around signing stuff that I had no clue about.

I'm not worried about a soul or about some trick. I would never involve myself in a dealing where I feel like I am taking advantage of someone. The reason is for my own selfish needs.

Let's change the scenario to get a better handle on this. Lets say I am buying a car from someone, and they are asking way too low of a price for the value of the car. Would you not tell the person you are asking too little? I would. I would feel bad if I bought a $10,000 car for $1,000. The reason is because I believe that every action I take builds my Karma. If I start to build my Karma with taking advantage of other people, what I will receive in return is being taking advantage by other people. "what you sow so shall you reap".

I am not trying to avoid your question. I am giving you my truthful answer.

Originally posted by Bentley
Tell me that by PM before I got into scans rambles like I just did. Sorry 🙁

Oh, I don't doubt money can buy happiness, I'm just happy already.

And imagine the bragging rights of saying "son, let me remind you of that time I refused a million dolars"! I'd be like the hippiest hippy ever. Admittedly the whole soul stuff would make it sound much lamer, but I'd skip that part when I tell the story.

Who are we selling our soul to? How can they collect on said soul? What happens once they have collected said soul? So many vague points in this OP that it's impossible to answer the question.

If it's anything like the Devil taking a soul for eternal damnation as understood by mainstream Christianity, no amount of money could possibly be worth it.

the way i interpreted it, it's like some dude asking you to sign a piece of paper that says "my soul" on it for a million bucks. you're basically taking the risk that it's not really the devil and that writing your name on a piece of paper that says "my soul" on it isn't really spiritually binding. so based on whatever your ideology that is either a no-brainer or maybe a little sketchy.

to me if you knew it was the devil cause he appeared in some supernatural way then obviously i wouldn't do it. but if it was the devil and he appeared as some random dude i would just assume the guy is a nut and take his money.