Would you sell your soul?

Originally posted by red g jacks
the way i interpreted it, it's like some dude asking you to sign a piece of paper that says "my soul" on it for a million bucks. you're basically taking the risk that it's not really the devil and that writing your name on a piece of paper that says "my soul" on it isn't really spiritually binding. so based on whatever your ideology that is either a no-brainer or maybe a little sketchy.

to me if you knew it was the devil cause he appeared in some supernatural way then obviously i wouldn't do it. but if it was the devil and he appeared as some random dude i would just assume the guy is a nut and take his money.

So, if a crazy guy came up to you and tried to buy your soul for a million dollars? You would take advantage of the man and just take his money? I'll come visit you in jail when his family calls the cops and has you arrested. 😉

you think it's a crime to sell someone a piece of paper with writing on it?

Originally posted by red g jacks
you think it's a crime to sell someone a piece of paper with writing on it?

You just took a million from a family that most likely has more, and a line of layers. You will be in jail.

doubtful. i don't care how much money you have you couldn't make that case against me in any serious court.

Originally posted by red g jacks
doubtful. i don't care how much money you have you couldn't make that case against me in any serious court.

Think about it. How much money do you have. How many layers can you afford? They will say that you took the money, and payed witnesses will come out of nowhere.

Even if you win, they will drain you of all your money, and you will still have to pay taxes.

you might have a point. i honestly don't know cause i've never really never been in a place to need an expensive lawyer. is the system that corrupt?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Think about it. How much money do you have. How many layers can you afford? They will say that you took the money, and payed witnesses will come out of nowhere.

Even if you win, they will drain you of all your money, and you will still have to pay taxes.

Also there's a 'w' in lawyer.

However, while I don't see any scenario where you might be imprisoned, there is a concept in contract law regarding mental competence. It isn't lawful to enter into a contract with someone mentally incompetent (i.e. insane, delusional, under the influence of something serious like anesthetic), so in this case the family would have to prove that their relative is insane and the contract would be null and void. You'd have to give the money back and you'd have your "soul" returned to you.

Edit: Okay so I did a little research, and this might not be so open and shut as I thought. Competency is defined such: (credit to Wikipedia) "Generally, in the United States, a person has the capacity or competence to make the decision to enter into a contract if the person has the ability to understand and appreciate, to the extent relevant, all of the following: (a) The rights, duties, and responsibilities created by, or affected by the decision. (b) The probable consequences for the decisionmaker and, where appropriate, the persons affected by the decision. (c) The significant risks, benefits, and reasonable alternatives involved in the decision."

With such a simple contract (a million dollars for a piece of paper saying 'my soul'😉 it might be difficult to show that the soul buyer wasn't aware of the circumstances.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm not worried about a soul or about some trick. I would never involve myself in a dealing where I feel like I am taking advantage of someone. The reason is for my own selfish needs.

Let's change the scenario to get a better handle on this. Lets say I am buying a car from someone, and they are asking way too low of a price for the value of the car. Would you not tell the person you are asking too little? I would. I would feel bad if I bought a $10,000 car for $1,000. The reason is because I believe that every action I take builds my Karma. If I start to build my Karma with taking advantage of other people, what I will receive in return is being taking advantage by other people. "what you sow so shall you reap".

I am not trying to avoid your question. I am giving you my truthful answer.

I changed it tho. It's not a sale anymore. You kinda did avoid my question tho it may not have been intentional on your part. I asked if there was any scenario where you would willingly give up your "soul" in the form of it written on a piece of paper.

You seem caught up on not wanted to take advantage of people and rightfully so but say that wasn't the case. I can try to offer scenarios where it wouldn't be taking advantage of someone but I feel like you'll object based on some other reason you see it being immoral. So I just want your opinion as to if there is a situation where you would give it up without it being an issue

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Unless he gives you the money in cash, there will be a record of the money transfer that would show that it was done legitimately.

Also there's a 'w' in lawyer.

However, while I don't see any scenario where you might be imprisoned, there is a concept in contract law regarding mental competence. It isn't lawful to enter into a contract with someone mentally incompetent (i.e. insane, delusional, under the influence of something serious like anesthetic), so in this case the family would have to prove that their relative is insane and the contract would be null and void. You'd have to give the money back and you'd have your "soul" returned to you.

Edit: Okay so I did a little research, and this might not be so open and shut as I thought. Competency is defined such: (credit to Wikipedia) "Generally, in the United States, a person has the capacity or competence to make the decision to enter into a contract if the person has the ability to understand and appreciate, to the extent relevant, all of the following: (a) The rights, duties, and responsibilities created by, or affected by the decision. (b) The probable consequences for the decisionmaker and, where appropriate, the persons affected by the decision. (c) The significant risks, benefits, and reasonable alternatives involved in the decision."

With such a simple contract (a million dollars for a piece of paper saying 'my soul'😉 it might be difficult to show that the soul buyer wasn't aware of the circumstances.

Originally posted by juggerman
I changed it tho. It's not a sale anymore. You kinda did avoid my question tho it may not have been intentional on your part. I asked if there was any scenario where you would willingly give up your "soul" in the form of it written on a piece of paper.

You seem caught up on not wanted to take advantage of people and rightfully so but say that wasn't the case. I can try to offer scenarios where it wouldn't be taking advantage of someone but I feel like you'll object based on some other reason you see it being immoral. So I just want your opinion as to if there is a situation where you would give it up without it being an issue

Souls don't exist, so I don't have a soul to sell. And selling something that I don't have is unethical.

It is like asking me would I be willing to sell my unicorn. I don't have a unicorn. Souls are like unicorns, they are just make believe.

Originally posted by juggerman
...So I just want your opinion as to if there is a situation where you would give it up without it being an issue

Souls would have to exist, but then I wouldn't sell my soul for any money. So, no, there is no situation where I would give up my soul (if I had one). Happy?

P.S. I wouldn't sell my unicorn ether.

Ah, no thread of mine would be complete without shaky.

Originally posted by juggerman
That answers my question. Thanks for playing along. 👆

Originally posted by riv6672
Ah, no thread of mine would be complete without shaky.

Why don't you ever get involved in your own threads?

Why do you care what i do in my threads?

If you dont like what i do in my threads there are 2 sure ways not to deal with it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Souls would have to exist, but then I wouldn't sell my soul for any money. So, no, there is no situation where I would give up my soul (if I had one). Happy?

You keep saying "sell" even tho I changed it. Seems like you are unwilling to give up your soul under any means. So am I. 👆

Talk about soul searching...!

Originally posted by red g jacks
the way i interpreted it, it's like some dude asking you to sign a piece of paper that says "my soul" on it for a million bucks. you're basically taking the risk that it's not really the devil and that writing your name on a piece of paper that says "my soul" on it isn't really spiritually binding. so based on whatever your ideology that is either a no-brainer or maybe a little sketchy.

to me if you knew it was the devil cause he appeared in some supernatural way then obviously i wouldn't do it. but if it was the devil and he appeared as some random dude i would just assume the guy is a nut and take his money.

I like how this argument regarding the supernatural is "the devil must know what he's doing", while the human obviously is stupid or playing around. So let's say the supernatural entity was a fairy so idiotic looking that kids could spit at his face and he offers you gold for a piece of paper that says soul, with no signature or whatsoever. Would you accept?

I'm starting to think a paper and a signature wouldn't be enough for you to lose your soul anyways. I'd need to check with the folklore behind devil transactions.

Originally posted by juggerman
You keep saying "sell" even tho I changed it. Seems like you are unwilling to give up your soul under any means. So am I. 👆

If a soul existed (they don't) I would assume they have magical value of some kind. I would never get rid of my magical soul or unicorn.