Originally posted by ILS
What, I can't enjoy Asajj Ventress and pretend TCW Maul doesn't exist at the same time?Maul's "true and clear purpose" wasn't to be a shitty character from day 1, actually. That was only implemented when Filoni and his band of shitty writers decided to milk Maul for all he's worth by resurrecting him.
You just don't get it do you?
Or are you just purposefully being blind?
Filoni and crewe only implemented Lucas's exact vision of who and what Maul was in TPM.
Vetress is the Dark Sode assassin. Maul was a real Sith. And was always intended as such. Deal with it.
Originally posted by Marco1907
This is what I like ;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLi51H5tVE0
And this
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I gotta say, I actually enjoyed Maul in TCW.Aside from the Mortis Story arcs and Bane's appearance, Maul's story arcs were easily the episodes I was the most hyped for.
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Lucas' vision obviously changed, then. Otherwise I see no sense in having sourcebooks and novels for something close to a decade tell us about how Maul was a disposable tool who was never meant to surpass Palpatine or command armies. You can say this is all Legends Canon, but then there was nothing other than the films to go by during this time period so there'd be nothing to indicate "Lucas' vision" there either.
So I wasn't really wrong in saying that it was TCW which implemented the shitty characterization/master army manipulator Maul. It hasn't "always" been like that, unless you want to dip into your deep pool of knowledge on Maul during the years prior to TCW which portrays him as more than an assassin?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You just don't get it do you?Or are you just purposefully being blind?
Filoni and crewe only implemented Lucas's exact vision of who and what Maul was in TPM.
Vetress is the Dark Sode assassin. Maul was a real Sith. And was always intended as such. Deal with it.
Exactly. Filoni didn't do anything by himself, the order of Maul's resurrection belong to George Lucas. And that's why same Lucas said, ''Sidious shouldn't have gotten himself in a position of getting his apprentice (Darth Maul) killed.''
For example, Season 5 Episode 16, Lucas has been a great influence on that episode.
http://www.starwars.com/video/wrath-of-the-sith
''George Lucas really wanted to kill off a lot of characters that weren't in the movies''
And yeah, unfortunately some EU writers were too incompetent to see Darth Maul's real importance.
No wonder they killed off the entire old EU. Old EU has good works no wonder, but they have wrong ideas about George Lucas's vision, which is the fault of Lucas as well though. He let them, then he ignored them.
Originally posted by ILS
Lucas' vision obviously changed, then. Otherwise I see no sense in having sourcebooks and novels for something close to a decade tell us about how Maul was a disposable tool who was never meant to surpass Palpatine or command armies. You can say this is all Legends Canon, but then there was nothing other than the films to go by during this time period so there'd be nothing to indicate "Lucas' vision" there either.So I wasn't really wrong in saying that it was TCW which implemented the shitty characterization/master army manipulator Maul. It hasn't "always" been like that, unless you want to dip into your deep pool of knowledge on Maul during the years prior to TCW which portrays him as more than an assassin?
No Lucas's Vision hasn't changed. TPM introduced the Rule of Two in the first place, and made it perfectly clear it referred to Sidious and Maul.
Any Sourcebooks which contradicted that simply had it wrong and had no confirmation from Lucas on what they were writing.
The only shitty characterization is any Eu sources claiming Sidious spent 10 years of his life focused on training a mere assassin.
No Lucas's Vision hasn't changed. TPM introduced the Rule of Two in the first place, and made it perfectly clear it referred to Sidious and Maul.That's nice, but what does it have to do with Maul leading armies or doing anything other than being an assassin? Any proof that film-Maul had Dooku's political acumen necessary to furthering the Grand Plan?
Any Sourcebooks which contradicted that simply had it wrong and had no confirmation from Lucas on what they were writing.They didn't really have anything to contradict. It's just your fantasy that TCW Maul has existed since '99, nobody elses. Like I said, Lucas didn't contribute anything to Maul's character during the decade between TPM and TCW, and during that time period there were plenty of novels and sourcebooks which filled in the gaps for us as to where Maul stood as a Sith. Which was that he was an assassin and wasn't intended for much past that. Obviously TCW changes this because they need to turn Maul into a shitty generic Sith to make money out of him - but what I'm asking you to do is back up your claim that TCW Maul was always the intention, like you said it was.
The only shitty characterization is any Eu sources claiming Sidious spent 10 years of his life focused on training a mere assassin.Oh please. You and Marco are just dick riding Maul now because he's suddenly powerful and a part of Lucas' precious vision. Just because you don't have the capacity to enjoy a character who isn't generic, easy to be entertained by, and isn't uber-powerful, doesn't make EU Maul a shitty character. In fact, his role in the Sith plan actually has little to do with how his personality and motivations were portrayed, so really your whole distaste for EU-TPM Maul is based on some "my character can beat your character" nonsense, opposed to taking the time to actually understand them. How laughable.
Lol.
Now ILS knows our minds, he is a kind of mind reader...
No, I don't like the idea of being ''just a mere assassin'' for Maul from the beginning, because that only came from shitty EU writers not from Lucas's movie, and they don't have the right to determine Maul's part in whole series, that is why I like TCW more, not because he become more powerful.
Nevertheless, we are right because canon Maul is just like we wanted. While your shitty EU writers become Legends, just like the idea of being a stupid mere assassin.
''Lord Maul'' is better.