Originally posted by beatboks
Show me a single feat Nu52 of Aquaman that is above the sub Diego feat. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/137442/3167641-1413684941-aquam.jpg
Pre 52 he lifted a city block. That's a feat of around 300,000 tons
He's also lifted an 18 story building, Ocean liners and Oil platforms (up to 55,000 tons) pre 52.People have the perception that he is stronger Nu52, doesn't make it so.
vs Superman pre 52
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3388002-8708923823-14943.jpgvs BA
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3388384-adamhawk.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3388385-adamhawk1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3388386-adamhawk2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3388387-adamhawk3.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3388388-adamhawk4.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3388389-adamhawk5.jpgSo after 6 pages of battle with BA crushing a wall on him, and throwing him through an engine block HM can still walk and fly and go for help.
Bare in mind pre 52 the amount of Nth metal he wears is only that laced into the straps of his harness, a few grams. he didn't have any Nth metal armor and I already said that he has gained that upgrade Nu52. You said he was more formidable, if pre 52 HM had the same amount of Nth metal he would have been more formidable than as the armor is the only upgrade he has and whilst he's gained that he has lost more.
No where Nu52 have I seen Nth metal show it's energy absorption capability. No where have I seen it allow someone to affect electromagnetic forces, strong or weak nuclear forces and in effect reality warp (as was done by Ominar Synn)
They made more of his costume Nth metal (a lot more) made it moldable that increases his blunt force durability but he could match that durability with the HF prior and he's lost a lot more power than he's gained.
That's great and all, but DCnU Hawkman is more versatile. His Nth Metal can create numerous weapons on the fly, produce a fire attack, and regrow his limbs back. Hawkman was losing a fatal amount of blood and still tanked Shaggy Man's attacks who was crushing through the JLA, IIRC. If I were to choose either one, I would still choose DCnU, simply because he has more options.
Aquaman blocked the trident attack which was capable of destroying all of Atlantis. That's certainly uber.
Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Are you actually claiming that HM is even remotely a match for the man of steel? If so, then you're just another kool-aid drinker. Why even bother bringing up what he did to Superman in that Supes/Bats comic? It's a claw of Horus feat not a Hawkman feat. Isn't it magical? It's not part of Hawkman's normal equipment is it? Besides, that was a sucker punch anyway. Superman didn't realize HM had anything on him that could do something like that. I seriously doubt he'd be lucky enough to do it to Superman again since Clark would be ready for it. In a normal fight Superman would cream his *** 10/10.
Where did I make any such claim???
If you bothered to read the thread in it's entirety instead of jumping in half cocked, you'd see i stated it was a claw feat.
HM isn't a match for the man of steal at all, and never was (just like he isn't for Black Adam Nu52 without a Lot of context flying his way).
Even with the claw he didn't hurt him. The claims were made that Nu52 HM is vastly more formidable in the Nu52 which I don't see.
The only difference is that Nu52 HM wields more Nth metal than pre 52, and that the metal now has an additional property of being molded by the will of the wearer.
To gain that property it appears to have lost several others that IMO are of much greater value.
Pre 52 HM had a grand total of 5 to 10 grams of Nth metal in his entire uniform. The total amount of Nth metal available on earth pre flash point came from the engine of the single crashed Thanagarian ship and it wasn't much bigger than a football.
Out of that "football" we had the belt's of the harnesses of HM and HG, a small amount laced through maces and shields that HM used and the lion's share was in the claw.
When HM used a mace that was less than 1% Nth metal he was able to crush a car seeding at him ( a blow like that of an 80 tonner). Anything using Nth metal strikes harder than the character wielding it is capable of, that doesn't make the character "more formidable.
Facts
1. pre FP Hm was healed from many fatal wounds in seconds just like post 52. when his throat was cut when he wasn't wearing his wings by simply placing them on him he was up and talking in seconds.
2. He could endure the extreme temperatures of space and being near stars without a suit for protection so the heat also like post 52.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223927-3rd+degree.jpg
3. Pre 52 nth also absorbed almost vast amounts of energy and could re-release it, it could be used as a power source.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223950-hawkman15pg22.gif
4. Pre 52 Nth could also affect allowed the effect of transportation ( Terrific once stated he could have made a long range teleporter if he had more of the metal)
5. It could be used to control the four forces of the universe.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3341810-jsa24-17.jpg
All I'm questioning is this supposed upgrade he has. The claim that he has a greater HF (which he clearly doesn't since he's come back from the dead plenty b4 Nu52, and that he can endure more because people have seen feats of him enduring what he always has.
You brought up a fight where HM knocked the **** out of him with an item that wasn't something Superman was aware he had and tried to use it as some kind of proof of how strong pre-boot HM was. If that wasn't your intention then why in the hell would you bring it up in the first place? It wasn't a Hawkman feat but a claw of horus feat and I'm pretty sure that the new Hawkman could do the exact same thing if he had the claw of Horus. If he was to get in a sucker shot the same way pre-boot HM did.
There was absolutely no point in showing that scan if your intent was not to show what pre-boot HM was capable of.
Originally posted by BerserkersRage
I always assumed the Claw of Horus was standard gear for pre DCnU Hawkman, but I could be wrong.Also, by your logic of the feat being a "Claw of Horus" feat, does that also apply to all of Green Lantern's feats being a "ring" feat?
Seriously, just asking.......
Heh, I knew someone was going to say something like this. To a great extent, yes, those are GL power ring feats but you're forgetting that a ring is only as good as the will and imagination of the user. That's why some GL's are more formidable than others. The claw of horus is not affected by that. Almost anyone using the claw of Horus could duplicate pre-boot HM's "feat" of what he did to Superman with a sucker punch like that. Also, if the claw was part of his "normal equipment" I'd like to see some instances of him using it on other occasions. I'd always thought that he had brought it along because he knew he might have to fight Superman instead of Batman.
Originally posted by Star428
You brought up a fight where HM knocked the **** out of him with an item that wasn't something Superman was aware he had and tried to use it as some kind of proof of how strong pre-boot HM was. If that wasn't your intention then why in the hell would you bring it up in the first place? It wasn't a Hawkman feat but a claw of horus feat and I'm pretty sure that the new Hawkman could do the exact same thing if he had the claw of Horus. If he was to get in a sucker shot the same way pre-boot HM did.There was absolutely no point in showing that scan if your intent was not to show what pre-boot HM was capable of.
If you choose to take a single post in exclusion of a longer debate and rant on looking like an idiot fighting a point that was never made, than fine. Nu52 HM wouldn't need the claw since he wears as much nth metal as the claw contains in his standard gear. All my posts have been about providing the context of the nu52 feats and showing that he was capable of the same pre 52. The scan simply show he was capable of what he did to BA pre flash point, which is what I've debated. How does the scan fail to prove that??? Or are you falsely debating that nu 52 BA has greater durability than pre 52 Superman ??
Originally posted by Reflassshh
It got funny bud.
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/ff/a7/3a/ffa73aad9e8af2f2281923bbf7a69a91.jpg
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't he start using it a lot more during the White Lantern storylines?
The Claw has made at most a dozen appearances. Aside from the Batman/Superman story it appeared in 7 issues of Brightest day, one(maybe 2) of blackest night, Issue 42 of Hawkman and 22 of JSA ( the Ominar Synn story). How can anyone possibly consider that standard equipment for a character ho must have around 2000 appearances????
