Originally posted by ILSlol you crack me up
Agen Kolar being considered one of the best duelists in the Order along with Mace, and absolutely decimating a serious Quinlan Vos, is enough to put him on par with the likes of Dooku. Dooku would beat him but it'd be after a hard fight (unless he uses the Force, which has nothing to do with dueling).
Originally posted by WildBantha88
no one is getting mad. I am simply stating your illogic. The only time that later era hype>early era hype is if the quote says something like "of all time". And satele has better quality of hype than the b-team. And Satele has the feats to back up her vastly superior hype. She is capable of pulling off feats that only a legendary could and is constantly referred to as one of the most powerful Jedi in existence at that time.
You mean those quotes hich doesn't make her more skilled of a fighter than Dooku? 👆 Why are you going off on B team when they're not involved in this thread? How does being more powerful than B team mean she could take Dooku? And no she isn't more skilled than Kolar or Fisto, she got thrashed by Malgus multiple times and none of the opponents she beat are even noteworthy.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Can you pin point the speculation? You have a habit of criticizing arguments you can't even begin to counter, yet you consider yourself above insults and trolling, which is what you're doing here. And you have your nerve to accuse Cart of being a troll and getting riled up when I defend him
Sadly, im on my phone and can't really respond at the moment. I will once I get home tho, apologies for the inconvenience. '
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Quality > quantity. Each member from the B-team have feats to back up their hype as well. As I said earlier, though, I wasn't suggesting that the members were Satele's superior, however, their hype shits all over majority of the TOR characters that are wanked furiously on this forum.
Eh, the TOR characters we wank on this forum are Malgus, Vitiate, HoT, Barsen'thor, Nox, Wrath, Thanaton, Leneer, Baras, Jadus, Zallow, Darach etc. All of whom are um, decisively not shat on by the B-team. IDK who else you'd be referring to.
Originally posted by ILSFisto did better than them and Fisto, while skilled, doesn't hold a candle to most of the characters that we recognize. Of the the characters that we debate they are on the low end
I don't even get why these Kolar/Tiin/Fisto get underrated so much anyway. It doesn't benefit anyone else's preferred characters to downgrade them as far as I can tell. Do people really think that being speedblitzed by Sidious is the mark of a terrible combatant?
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Fisto did better than them and Fisto, while skilled, doesn't hold a candle to most of the characters that we recognize. Of the the characters that we debate they are on the low end
Most of the TOR characters you wank are more inferior in terms of skill like it or not.
Originally posted by WildBantha88Fisto wasn't the first one to be targeted by Sidious, and part of why Agen and Tiin were killed was surprise as much as speed. Fisto is actually pretty fast, and he had Mace helping him, so it's no slight against Kolar or Tiin, really.
Fisto did better than them and Fisto, while skilled, doesn't hold a candle to most of the characters that we recognize. Of the the characters that we debate they are on the low end
I don't care where you rank Fisto in relation to whoever you're talking about. You probably think Satele Shan using redirected lightsaber energy is a better dueling feat than Kolar's stomping of Vos cus "she's high council level" or something.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
no one is getting mad. I am simply stating your illogic. The only time that later era hype>early era hype is if the quote says something like "of all time". And satele has better quality of hype than the b-team. And Satele has the feats to back up her vastly superior hype. She is capable of pulling off feats that only a legendary could and is constantly referred to as one of the most powerful Jedi in existence at that time.
Still missing the point. No wonder it's illogical in your mind. Anyone who is capable of following wouldn't be calling my argument illogical, unless they aren't thinking logically themselves.
Again, I'm not comparing Satele to the B-team, and I'm not saying she doesn't have better quality feats, but the way you're wording your argument seems to suggest that you believe more feats means better feats, which isn't true. Tiin is also capable of pulling off feats that only legendary jedi could, has been constantly referred to as one of the greatest "of all time," and has been stated as having one of the strongest force abilities of his era, so how you conclude that she has better quality hype is beyond me.
Is this an attempt to misdirect the real argument: Satele vs Dooku?
Originally posted by WildBantha88
You just have a piss poor way of evaluating characters. You think that the only way an impressive character can exist is if that character defeats another impressive character. Therefore for an impressive character to exist another must.
Are you mad they have superior showings? I can't help that and it's not my problem tbh. If you're comparing a guy whose beaten no names to X character who has beaten recognized fighters, how are we supposed to gauge the skill of the other duelist who has beaten opponents who are inferior? You can cite your personal opinion all you want, but the character with the objectively better showings- is the one who we can say is likely more skilled. How is it 'piss poor' to go by what the character accomplished rather than a bunch of circumstance or worse your personal opinion?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Eh, the TOR characters we wank on this forum are Malgus, Vitiate, HoT, Barsen'thor, Nox, Wrath, Thanaton, Leneer, Baras, Jadus, Zallow, Darach etc. All of whom are um, decisively not shat on by the B-team. IDK who else you'd be referring to.
You're missing the point too. I said in terms of hype/accolades/implications, which are what you TOR fans rely on to elevate characters higher than they should be, the members of the B-team shit on most in that category. Never said they would shit on the characters you listed in combat.
You wank those characters too hard. That's the problem.
@Fated, I just logged in on my phone too, so I understand, but the things I said still stand. You should have made it known before making such statements, as in not doing so, it makes you look like a hypocrite when you call others trolls.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You're missing the point too. I said in terms of hype/accolades/implications, which are what you TOR fans rely on to elevate characters higher than they should be, the members of the B-team shit on most in that category. Never said they would shit on the characters you listed in combat.You wank those characters too hard. That's the problem.
No, they don't though. Being called one of the best ever just isn't as impressive as you take it to be. It's a vague as balls accolade that could apply to any number of people. Being one of the best of any era should logically make you one of the best of all time. It's not far better than the Barsen'thor "embodying true skill", Thanaton being "supremely powerful" or Jadus being held as the 2nd most powerful Sith of the era, unless you choose to believe it is.