Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Pre-Retcon destroys him. By classic are you speaking of Post-Retcon Beyonder?Never heard that classification before.
Yea, Post was less powerful I know that.
So is Pre like another manifestation of TOAA? Because I don't get where his power is coming from. To be above LT.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yea, Post was less powerful I know that.So is Pre like another manifestation of TOAA? Because I don't get where his power is coming from. To be above LT.
He's definitely not a manifestation of TOAA. Just an extremely powerful being.
In his universe (the Beyond Realm) he was effectively God, and he found his way into 616 after Owen Reece accidentally opened up a portal.
There's no absolute explanation as to why he is that powerful I guess really. I could show you some scans if you wanted of when he came into contact with the Tribunal.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He's definitely not a manifestation of TOAA. Just an extremely powerful being.In his universe (the Beyond Realm) he was effectively God, and he found his way into 616 after Owen Reece accidentally opened up a portal.
There's no absolute explanation as to why he is that powerful I guess really. I could show you some scans if you wanted of when he came into contact with the Tribunal.
Thanks, post the ones you got if you can.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Thanks, post the ones you got if you can.
I'm at my nans house at the moment so I wont be able to send high quality images over but these should be fine.
Uatu pleads with Beyonder stating that he has tried to get the mighty to speak with him.
Then this is what happened afterwards.
We find out that Beyonder is stronger than everyone in that room put together.
As we see it's plainly obvious to everyone in that room that Death is about to be killed. But they are powerless to stop the Beyonder.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So is Pre like another manifestation of TOAA?Because I don't get where his power is coming from. To be above LT.
"Post" retcon Beyonder is the differnece.
Anyway, the Beyonder was created by Jim Shooter, who not only wrote SWI & II,
but was also the Editor in Chief of Marvel. This means, he was truly TOAA!
There were rumors that ol' Jimmy simply symbolized his own 'god complex' in Marvel on panel via the Beyonder lol.
It was no secret that many writers/artists and staff were displeased with Shooter's exaggerations,
like going as far as to say that Beyonder was "like God before Genesis." ouch,
or seemingly portraying Stan Lee bowing to the Beyonder on panel, etc.
Yet there is no doubt, classic Beyonder was/is the most powerful entitity ever in Mavrel.
'millionS of times more powerful than the rest of Marvel combined.' (LT included)
Originally posted by Mr Master
Classic and Pre-retcon Beyonder, are the same thing."Post" retcon Beyonder is the differnece.
Anyway, the Beyonder was created by Jim Shooter, who not only wrote SWI & II,
but was also the Editor in Chief of Marvel. This means, he was truly TOAA!
There were rumors that ol' Jimmy simply symbolized his own 'god complex' in Marvel on panel via the Beyonder lol.
It was no secret that many writers/artists and staff were displeased with Shooter's exaggerations,
like going as far as to say that Beyonder was "like God before Genesis." ouch,
or seemingly portraying Stan Lee bowing to the Beyonder on panel, etc.Yet there is no doubt, classic Beyonder was/is the most powerful entitity ever in Mavrel.
'millionS of times more powerful than the rest of Marvel combined.' (LT included)
This makes a lot of sense, because he was the actually the TOAA of his "Beyond Universe" and his feats clearly equal and rival TOAA of 616.
The part that makes me see him right below TOAA in 616 is that he had to give up some of his power to kill death. TOAA would be un effected by this. And the fact that Doom stole his powers once.