Beyonder vs LT

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
We don't even know who/what killed him yet. So making assumptions on his power isn't a valid notion to entertain.

It is entirely valid as it demonstrates he isn't the top tier being, as we know objectively that there are entities aside from TOAA who are above the LT.

LT is far more likely in the high skyfather rangem or abstract range.

Originally posted by Board Walker
It is entirely valid as it demonstrates he isn't the top tier being, as we know objectively that there are entities aside from TOAA who are above the LT.

LT is far more likely in the high skyfather rangem or abstract range.

I disagree.

You have to show who killed him.

Can you tell me who killed him? You can't so for the mean time there is no point saying he is a certain level when we have no idea what happened.

For all we know it could be Rabum Alal which possibly is Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Which would make sense.

PR Beyonder without being curious. He just straightout erases the multiverse with a thought.

Originally posted by theTANTALIZER
PR Beyonder without being curious. He just straightout erases the multiverse with a thought.

Makes sense sense he is TOAA equivalent of his verse.

Originally posted by Board Walker

It is entirely valid as it demonstrates he isn't the top tier being,
as we know objectively that there are entities aside from TOAA who are above the LT.

The LT was depicted just fine by Starlin not too long ago chatting with Thanos after the Hickman scenario, so ....

Originally posted by Board Walker

LT is far more likely in the high skyfather rangem or abstract range.

Anywho ... As for the latest On Panel depiction of the cosmic hierarchy:

It's still basically the same since 1985 ... and the Living Tribunal is still the top dog. 🙂

It's pretty bad when a writer doesn't even try a halfassed "It was a Skrull" explanation.

I mean, if you realize you should never have written something, at least own up to it, instead of just ignoring it and hoping everyone forgets it ever happened. 😈

Retcon Beyonder may be a little lower than LT. But Classic Beyonder is way above LT.

Beyonder was literally stated and even mentioned to be above LT so this is a pure old fashion stomp.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Beyonder was literally stated and even mentioned to be above LT so this is a pure old fashion stomp.

Classic Beyonder wins easily

LT has also become more powerful.
Classic Beyonder was Multiversal or maybe above it. LT is omniversal and has Megaverses in his hand or whatever. He is more powerful than his former Multiversal self, like Beyonder later was weaker than his previous self.

So LT for the win, till we learn who or what killed him.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
LT has also become more powerful.
Classic Beyonder was Multiversal or maybe above it. LT is omniversal and has Megaverses in his hand or whatever. He is more powerful than his former Multiversal self, like Beyonder later was weaker than his previous self.

So LT for the win, till we learn who or what killed him.

Originally posted by zom1967
how did L.T get more powerful?Classic Beyonder clearly destroy`s him!

Easy. LT during the time of classic beyonder operated on Multiversal scale, because Marvel was just a Multiverse. Beyonder came from, well Beyond. Later the Multiverse was just a part of an Megaverse and that of an Omniverse and this is the new scale where LT operated. Hence he is more powerful now than before.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Easy. LT during the time of classic beyonder operated on Multiversal scale, because Marvel was just a Multiverse. Beyonder came from, well Beyond. Later the Multiverse was just a part of an Megaverse and that of an Omniverse and this is the new scale where LT operated. Hence he is more powerful now than before.

Originally posted by zom1967
Is that just your opinion,or did the one above all give him more authority?

It's logic. TOAA is just the writer/staff at Marvel, they expanded their Universe, made it bigger.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It's logic. TOAA is just the writer/staff at Marvel, they expanded their Universe, made it bigger.

Actually false.....
Beyonder realm is beyond time,space, and all realities and is a total omnilock away from LT/TOAA he basically has no authority over the beyond realm as Beyonder is still absolute in the multiverse and which beyonder realm is a technical larger...x3 then the marvel multiverse place the fact both are infinitely larger and by this logic

Beyond Realm>>>>Marvel Multiverse

Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) >xInfinity The Living Tribunal
Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)=The One Above All

😄

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Actually false.....
Beyonder realm is beyond time,space, and all realities and is a total omnilock away from LT/TOAA he basically has no authority over the beyond realm as Beyonder is still absolute in the multiverse and which beyonder realm is a technical larger...x3 then the marvel multiverse place the fact both are infinitely larger and by this logic

Beyond Realm>>>>Marvel Multiverse

Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) >xInfinity The Living Tribunal
Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)=The One Above All

😄

No.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

LT during the time of classic beyonder operated on Multiversal scale, because Marvel was just a Multiverse.

Omniverse and this is the new scale where LT operated.

Hence he is more powerful now than before.

The LT operated on a "multiversal" scale back in 84-85' cause as you pointed out,
that was all of "canon" Marvel at the time.
But,
this doesn't take away from the fact
that the LT was the most powerful entity in all canon Marvel likewise. (excluding 84-85 Owen)

It's not Beyonder's fault he was retconned before the Marvel cosmic territory expanded.

That aside, it really doesn't matter anyway. 🙂

Because Eternity-Infinity's consciousness only extends across the prime trans-infinite Multiverse. (one multiverse)

This means ... I'd say 99% of all power in Marvel
is concentrated in this single multiverse which houses the 616 universe.
Which is almost an indentical copy of the Prime infinite multiverse of 1985.

Yes ... there are NO sentient universes (Eternity-Infinity) outside this single multiverse.

In truth, after years of after thought,
I don't even know how the "Brothers" (so called megaverses) fit into Marvel cosmology anymore.
Then again, after all, these Marvel/DC Brothers were meant to be retconned
as being below the LT and Spectre in Adventures of the X-Men,
and this project was assited and approved by Mike Carlin who's name appears in the credits.

It could be, that the LT's bio we all mis-interpreted it years ago,
and suppose,
that the Megaverses were Marvel and DC (Brothers)
and the Omniverse was the greater beyond. (other companies)
In fact, the LT's bio doesn't really appoint the "omniverse" solely to Marvel.

It was the 2007 bios that did that.

So, imo, again, perhaps the LT's bio was referring to the "megaverseS" that were Marvel and DC at the time, (2005 bios literally state this)
and the LT fashioned them in his hand, and Spectre was in cahoots with LT in this project.
This would put both the LT and Spectre above all of Marvel and DC,
since the BrotherS represented both companies supposedly.
Interestingly enough, the LT and Spectre almost obliterated both Brothers in the orginal DC vs Marvel garbage, hmm, funny.

At some point, this entire understanding was just ... forgotten/dismissed,
because again, the 2007 bios and beyond associate Marvel with its own "omniverse."

Originally posted by Mr Master
The LT has always been the same LT of always.
There is no evidence of any kind even via allusion that concretely suggests the LT was upgraded in "power."

The scale of the MU became bigger and he grows with it. That's normal, that comics evolve.

Originally posted by Mr Master

The LT operated on a "multiversal" scale back in 84-85' cause as you pointed out,
that was all of "canon" Marvel at the time.
But,
this doesn't take away from the fact
that the LT was the most powerful entity in all canon Marvel likewise. (excluding 84-85 Owen)

It's not Beyonder's fault he was retconned before the Marvel cosmic territory expanded.

So he was Multiversal back than, like Beyonder was Multiversal+. And the recton happened because Beyonder is still a part of the whole MU (Marvel Comics that is). It's not his fault is not a valid argument tbh, no offense. The territory was expanded, the true power of the beyonder was shown and it was smaller than the combined new territory.

Originally posted by Mr Master

That aside, it really doesn't matter anyway. 🙂

Because Eternity-Infinity's consciousness only extends across the prime trans-infinite Multiverse. ([b]one multiverse)

This means ... I'd say 99% of all power in Marvel
is concentrated in this single multiverse which houses the 616 universe.
Which is almost an indentical copy of the Prime infinite multiverse of 1985.

Yes ... there are NO sentient universes (Eternity-Infinity) outside this single multiverse.
[/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master

In truth, after years of after thought,
I don't even know how the "Brothers" (so called megaverses) fit into Marvel cosmology anymore.
Then again, after all, these Marvel/DC Brothers were meant to be retconned
as being below the LT and Spectre in Adventures of the X-Men,
and this project was assited and approved by Mike Carlin who's name appears in the credits.

Originally posted by Mr Master

It could be, that the LT's bio we all mis-interpreted it years ago,
and suppose,
that the Megaverses were Marvel and DC (Brothers)
and the Omniverse was the greater beyond. (other companies)
In fact, the LT's bio doesn't really appoint the "omniverse" solely to Marvel.

It was the 2007 bios that did that.

DC is it's own Omniverse, like Marvel is it's own. The Brothers (Megaverses) are hence only in Marvel and not a part of DC, as they were created in a Marvel comic by Marvel. The real brothers as said are a one time shot and I don't think even canon.

Originally posted by Mr Master

So, imo, again, perhaps the LT's bio was referring to the "megaverseS" that were Marvel and DC at the time, (2005 bios literally state this)
and the LT fashioned them in his hand, and Spectre was in cahoots with LT in this project.
This would put both the LT and Spectre above all of Marvel and DC,
since the BrotherS represented both companies supposedly.
Interestingly enough, the LT and Spectre almost obliterated both Brothers in the orginal DC vs Marvel garbage, hmm, funny.

At some point, this entire understanding was just ... forgotten/dismissed,
because again, the 2007 bios and beyond associate Marvel with its own "omniverse."

I disagree with your opinion to 100% with the reasons I already named. But to each his own.
LT and Spectre just succeeded to stop the brothers for a time but never defeated them, and the brothers were not even paying attention but fighting each other, where we might assume most of their power was concentrated. Neither LT nor the Spectre had the power to kill/defeat them, it was obivious that they were below them.

But then again, I don't see this Spectre and this LT as canon.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
No.

You just mentioned the point of the brothers which was seriously non-canon pre/post versions.

Beyonder=TOAA.