Originally posted by Bentley
We submit our children to the same kind of unexplained and imposed criterea of judgement.
Unexplained?
I can easily use logic & reasoning with my son to explain what my sense of right & wrong that I expect him to view the world & treat others around him.
Unlike religion, I don't impose my views with a "Because I told you so attitude."
I share my views based on my own mistakes in life but also with the understanding that he needs to make his own mistakes to hopefully learn from them.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Unexplained?
I can easily use logic & reasoning with my son to explain what my sense of right & wrong that I expect him to view the world & treat others around him.
Unlike religion, I don't impose my views with a "Because I told you so attitude."
I share my views based on my own mistakes in life but also with the understanding that he needs to make his own mistakes to hopefully learn from them.
Good for you? Most kids don't grow up knowing how the world works, they are limited to preconceived notions in their societies for the most part.
There is a point where your kid doesn't understand the reasons you give him though, then you don't just talk your kids ears off. I never said it was a matter of logic either, we have to teach our kids many things that are unreasonable for their sake's.
Originally posted by Bentley
Good for you? Most kids don't grow up knowing how the world works, they are limited to preconceived notions in their societies for the most part.There is a point where your kid doesn't understand the reasons you give him though, then you don't just talk your kids ears off. I never said it was a matter of logic either, we have to teach our kids many things that are unreasonable for their sake's.
If my assumption is wrong then I apologise in advance because I'm not a parent that tells another parent how to raise thier kids...
However I do get the feeling that you're not a father yourself by the generalised terms you use.
Once again I apologise for my assumption if you are in fact a father too.
Originally posted by riv6672
Who says he needs anything from us?
Or owes us anything?
My point was that, believers and atheists alike both think in terms of us mattering enough to rate an explanation. Hence why i said hubris.
The fact that you would just lay down without a word to the one judging you shows how low your humanity and spirit has been beat by your religious beliefs.
You have become a pathetic example of a man who would take abuse without a word of complaint.
All you deserve is to be sheered and butchered.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Unexplained?
I can easily use logic & reasoning with my son to explain what my sense of right & wrong that I expect him to view the world & treat others around him.
Unlike religion, I don't impose my views with a "Because I told you so attitude."
I share my views based on my own mistakes in life but also with the understanding that he needs to make his own mistakes to hopefully learn from them.
+ 1
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
The fact that you would just lay down without a word to the one judging you shows how low your humanity and spirit has been beat by your religious beliefs.You have become a pathetic example of a man who would take abuse without a word of complaint.
All you deserve is to be sheered and butchered.
Regards
DL
I'm living my life as i see fit, not caring what some entity i have no control over or true understanding of thinks about me.
And you..what?
Seek to please that entity, in a more "civilized" version of people on a volcanic island sacrificing their peers
all you deserve is to be sheered and butchered.
Originally posted by Bentley
I don't see why you would apologize because I don't see why me being a parent has to do with anything.Parenthood was an example, you could've used the link between a dog and his master or a dog and his father, there are many other imposed beliefs like those in nature.
I'm talking from experience about being a father.
Yet in all my experience of being alive I have no experience or proof that God exists.
Originally posted by Bentleysure, but then there's a point to us doing this. basically training them for living in this world as adults. it doesn't seem like there is much of a point to sending people to hell for eternity for being wrong about something. at least i can't imagine what that could possibly accomplish.
Good for you? Most kids don't grow up knowing how the world works, they are limited to preconceived notions in their societies for the most part.There is a point where your kid doesn't understand the reasons you give him though, then you don't just talk your kids ears off. I never said it was a matter of logic either, we have to teach our kids many things that are unreasonable for their sake's.
Re: question for other atheists/nonbelievers
Originally posted by red g jacks
you ever have the feeling that maybe there is a god but he just has a really ****ed up sense of humor and isn't too concerned about random suffering etc cause it's just part of the system?
Well, yes and no. God does exist, but God is not a 'He' or a 'She'. Also, God doesn't need to be worshiped, or even believed in. God is without want or need.
i just use he cause that's what i'm used to. to me that's a pretty arbitrary objection. and i didn't say anything about worshiping him so not really sure where that one came from. if anything that would seem to agree with my hypothetical idea of god. i don't think he would care much what we think either. but he might still get a kick out of ****ing with us.
Originally posted by red g jacks
i just use he cause that's what i'm used to. to me that's a pretty arbitrary objection. and i didn't say anything about worshiping him so not really sure where that one came from. if anything that would seem to agree with my hypothetical idea of god. i don't think he would care much what we think either. but he might still get a kick out of ****ing with us.
I was making it clear that any personification is not talking about the same God.
I don't think God is f*cking with us. In a way that's a personification.
Let me put it in a different way, God is more like gravity then a person. Is gravity f*cking with you?
Originally posted by red g jacks
gravity is just a force though isn't it? god is supposed to have some sort of intelligence/will which would seem to give it some sort of persona. maybe not a human persona but some sort of intelligent entity at least.
That's just man-made gods. I think that God is the force of life in the universe, with no persona or anything like that.
Kind of like the force from star wars, but there is no dark or light side.