Originally posted by red g jacks
basically you mean that reality is god? like everything is god or whatever? cause i've heard people say that before but to me it's sorta just changing the meaning of a word to suit your purpose.
I use the word 'God' to communicate with you. I have to change its meaning in order to relate.
Mystic Law
[妙法] (Chin miao-fa; Jpn myoho )
The ultimate law, principle, or truth of life and the universe in Nichiren's teachings; the Law of Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. This term derives from Kumarajiva's Chinese translation of the Sanskrit word saddharma, from the title of the Sad-dharma-pundarika-sutra, or the Lotus Sutra. It has been translated into English also as Wonderful Law, Wonderful Dharma, Fine Dharma, etc. (In this dictionary, in accord with published translations, it is rendered as Wonderful Law when referring to the title of the Lotus Sutra, and as Mystic Law when referring to the underlying principle it represents in Nichiren's teaching.) See also Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.
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It has no connection to the god of the bible.
Originally posted by red g jacks
ok. and the law is basically everything right? the laws of physics and the way everything sort of unfolds through cause and effect, right? cause to me that obviously exists it's just not something i ever call god. basically i call that the universe.
Yes, in a way. But it is unknown, so I cannot say for sure.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I'm talking from experience about being a father.
Yet in all my experience of being alive I have no experience or proof that God exists.
Which is fine and dandy, my analogy was just a way to nitpick the part of your argument that was about how informed we were about the motivations on a theoretical god. Authority just doesn't go explaining itself at every step.
Originally posted by red g jacks
sure, but then there's a point to us doing this. basically training them for living in this world as adults. it doesn't seem like there is much of a point to sending people to hell for eternity for being wrong about something. at least i can't imagine what that could possibly accomplish.
In the same vein life could be seen as an education, and you making poorly choices and being unadapted to life can be seen as having no point. I mean, life can be seen and meaningless and lots of people suffer from it, there is no proportion in how much suffering you get from a few mistakes.
I understand how hell can be seen essentially as a waste though.
Originally posted by Bentley
Which is fine and dandy, my analogy was just a way to nitpick the part of your argument that was about how informed we were about the motivations on a theoretical god. Authority just doesn't go explaining itself at every step.
I actually think we've all veered away from the actual question that was asked. 😕
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I actually think we've all veered away from the actual question that was asked. 😕
Well it happens 😛
Originally posted by Greatest I am
If you see a wrong statement then you give the right one.Regards
DL
It sounds like a pretty binary definition based in absolute good or bad concepts if you ask me 😖hifty:
What Delph said on page 1 is my succinct answer to the OPs reasoning. For some elaboration, we're pattern-seeking individuals whose survival for literally thousands of years has depended on our ability to see patterns, often where there are none (see: research on false positives and how it affected survival chances in our hunter-gatherer stage). Now, extrapolate that tendency across a lifetime and literally every person in the world is going to experience, or perceive that they experience, a coincidence so unimaginably perfect that it MUST point to something larger than pure chance.
Except that's just the law of large numbers added to our pattern-seeking brains. There are millions of potential combinations in a given day for us to perceive such significance. It works doubly so for those who DO see a higher purpose in the patterns, because they're more likely to actively look for them (i.e. "God, send me a sign"😉 and remember them.
Ush's page 1 reply also helps, because it covers the other part of this. It's the difference between what's possible and what's plausible, with the latter of which being the only one worth spending any thought or time on.
I'm going back to the original query.
Personally, I've never entertained the idea of gods and such outside of film, literature or gaming.
If I ran a library the religious texts would be in the 'fiction' section.
From an early age religion at first seemed a curiosity; something illogical and clearly flawed someway as 'zombies were fictional but somehow Jesus was bonafide having risen from a grave' - I was a small boy, so thats a basic way of seeing it, I know.
As I grew up I casually looked for sense in it and if it was truly without merit, but never once felt like there was anything to it other than stories in a book - attempted explanations of our being and world we lived in and borrowed or recycled common sense morals and ideals.
Morals and ideals were there already and just applied to texts and religious material.
Then came my understanding of Earth, space, biology and such over the years which made me even less sure of why Religion beyond being some mystical idol worship even had a place in the modern world.
Additionally, it was clear that there was no difference between worshipping a God or a Goose called Mother.
People call me atheist, but aside from that being a bit of a derogatory term for non-believers in ancient Greece, we don't need a tag and identifying believers as 'religious' is enough to 'differentiate'.
So, really, no that idea or though has never crossed my mind. I hope thats better than the 'yes and no' answers you dreaded getting. 🙂
Originally posted by Aquitaine
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Morals and ideals were there already and just applied to texts and religious material.
I do not think that substitutionary atonement was well already there and that the text was just applied to it.
The idea of a God dying for his creation is just too stupid to contemplate as we all know that God cannot die.
Regards
DL