Originally posted by Quincy
But wasn't his body destroyed by.....Magic?
That's partially true. His body wasn't destroyed, just killed.
And as I have stated in any HP thread, the body does not seem to be killed as much as the killing curse just removes the soul from the body which seems to kill it. The evidence for this is when Volde and Harry clash with their wands, the souls came out of Volde's wand. Since the bodies had long since decayed, the souls could not go back into the bodies but had Volde just killed those people, they would have revived. 🙂
The Exception was Edward. 😄 But his body was somewhere else????
How long had it been? Why couldn't the body go back into Bella's boyfriend's body?
Originally posted by Quincy
I didn't say that. You implied that the proof that he can be hurt with physical damage was because his body was destroyed. But how would that correlate if his body wasn't destroyed by physical damage, but by magic?
That might not have been the best example. however all a horcrux does it contain part of a soul, there is nothing in the movies that state it increases a person's durability...that means Tom is no more durable than a normal wizard.
So, if you want to claim he is immune to physical damage, the onus is on you.
After refreshing my memory of Cedric, I guess the reason that reversing Vold's spell did not revive Cedric is Cedric was dead for too long and was unrevive-able, at that point. That doesn't make sense because they could just use repairing magic to restore the brain damage and organ damage from having no circulation for a while....
I see a plothole.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So, if you want to claim he is immune to physical damage, the onus is on you.
All of that glass fell on Volde and he was unharmed. He then tried to harm Dumbles with that glass...and Dumbles, knowing it would harm him, put up a blocking spell that converted it to sand.
Indicates that while Voldemort won't be damaged by all that glass, Dumbles would. I would also say that being that close to the intense flames would burn the shit out of Volde's face but yet, he didn't get burned. However, being close to the flames caused Dumbles to get concerned and he tried to keep them at bay.
I'd also say the forceful engulfing of Voldemort should have broken bones or even killed him, he remained un-wet after falling out of the swirling ball of water.
When Harry Potter and Voldemort physically fought, he didn't have damage but Harry did, after their scuffle through the air. More evidence.
Why?
Seems Voldemort is immune to physical harm. Seems he made himself immortal, somehow...
I'm trying to think, here, where any fight volde had did not involve physical harm that should have harmed him, but didn't. I literally cannot come up with any...
Before his revival, he would be harmed if he touched Harry Potter because of the protection spell Lily cast, though. There's a physical harm thing...but it was magic? Perhaps not physical, at all? Perhaps just magical pain like the cruciatus curse?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Except Tom was injured in his last battle with Harry, when they both landed on the ground and before Neville killed the snake, you can see a wound on the left side of Tom's face.
Incorrect: Harry did that to his face before they landed. Don't be a liar. 🙂
Now the burden is on you to prove that Harry did that, non-magically. 😉
So, I listed other stuff. I win.
Just concede the Voldemort is not damage-able unless it is from magic.
Edit - Just watched that scene with the fire. Volde is right in the middle of the flames after it is thrown back at him. Volde is turning off the flames. Dumble didn't let the flames get that close to him. Before Volde throws the flames at dumbles, the flame snake is literally, right there next to him (volde). A fire hot enough to melt metal and stone would cause Volde to catch fire, just standing next to it. That's silly of you to ignore that. Dumbledore kept the flames 10-20 feet away. Looks like volde turned off the flame stuff so he could see before he got hit again by Dumbles...which appears to be exactly what Dumbledore tried to do after throwing the flames back at Volde.
Guess what the flame was?
🙂
lol! I win again! weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I could be stuck in a hole, 10 miles underground, and I'd still figure out, someway, to argue my way out. 🙂
But, this...arguing with someone as ignorant of Silent Master about Harry Potter? It's too easy. It's almost sad.
Now excuse me while I pat myself on the back some more while the whole bus cheers.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Not really, as when I pointed out the wound of Tom's face from the final battle, he admitted that it was given to Tom by Harry before the snake was destroyed...thus horcruxes do not prevent damage.
I do not believe I said he was immune to any harm. In fact, I maintained that magic could destroy him before I corrected myself about the killing curse. I thought the killing curse destroyed his body but I was wrong. 🙂
Seems magic can definitely harm Volde. That was never in dispute.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm glad we've cleared that up.
Yes. Me too.
So where do we stand?
Can Superman splatter Volde with a punch? Or does Voldemort just laugh as Superman's fist passes right through?
No.
The film and novel state that only Harry can Kill Voldemort and vice versa. If DaDudeMon has shown that physical damage hasn't affected Voldemort in the past, and the only physical damage we've ever seen Voldemort take is from Harry himself (who through MAGIC PROPHECY NONSENSE) is the only one that can kill him...
Originally posted by Quincy
No.The film and novel state that only Harry can Kill Voldemort and vice versa. If DaDudeMon has shown that physical damage hasn't affected Voldemort in the past, and the only physical damage we've ever seen Voldemort take is from Harry himself (who through MAGIC PROPHECY NONSENSE) is the only one that can kill him...
Oh....
I see what you're saying, now. It makes sense, now, why HP could harm Volde and even Dumbles appears to not be able to.
Hmm....
Yeah, using Volde in a vs. fight seems even dumber if HP is the only one that can kill Voldes.
Originally posted by Quincy
No.The film and novel state that only Harry can Kill Voldemort and vice versa. If DaDudeMon has shown that physical damage hasn't affected Voldemort in the past, and the only physical damage we've ever seen Voldemort take is from Harry himself (who through MAGIC PROPHECY NONSENSE) is the only one that can kill him...
Except he hasn't shown that damage hasn't effected Tom, as Tom has been shown to be wounded why still having a horcrux.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh....I see what you're saying, now. It makes sense, now, why HP could harm Volde and even Dumbles appears to not be able to.
Hmm....
Yeah, using Volde in a vs. fight seems even dumber if HP is the only one that can kill Voldes.
Oh and that resounding No was for the other guy we're talking to, I agree with your points. You're just far quicker on the reply trigger