Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Let's be honest, Armageddon, BiBeast, Wendigo are hardly A listers. Not even B listers. And even the most die hard fans can't ignore that.
True but we know where they stand power wise. They are far away from being weak. B i Beast first fight with Thor, he overpowered him twice and the rest of the fight lasted for an entire comic. He defeated Hulk as well. He does have one low showing of being dropped by Ironman and Thor.
Wendigo, the true Wendigo does have Herald tier strength and Armageddon hasn't lost not once and he has fought against Hulk multiples of times and Surfer. They have placements, you all are just hating.
Oh yes they do place high, my point was that they are eminently disposable. Enough of a recognition factor for it to be impressive, but its hardly Wolverine level popularity.
Kinda like fodder Green Lanterns, or when Hal Jordan killed all those GLs on his way to becoming Parallax, or SBP killing Teen Titans....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh yes they do place high, my point was that they are eminently disposable. Enough of a recognition factor for it to be impressive, but its hardly Wolverine level popularity.Kinda like fodder Green Lanterns, or when Hal Jordan killed all those GLs on his way to becoming Parallax, or SBP killing Teen Titans....
Gotcha. So of B I Beast was standing next to Superman and Black Adam and Superman and Black Adam clashed fist which resulted in the waves of their power melting Bi Beast, you wouldn't be impressed?
No not really and i know Paks intent. He's a fanboys wet dream because once.he writes your character u know it's gonna be a feat centric arc. Its just that the characters featured are no names or losers who imo the editors felt could be amped and quickly killed without the fan base batting an eye, they were throwaway characters. Even the amp was ridiculous if u truly think about it. And in the end despite all the destruction it was a shared feat. Put im nitpicking because i hate Pak and shoddy writing. For what it's worth its still a grandiose "feat". Kinda like throwing the dog a bone to appease the masses
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I mean, impressive is Hal Jordan, unamped, killing Krona whilst he was amped up on all those emotional entities.
Impressive is Thor defeating Glory which housed a pantheon of gods
Impressive is Surfer channelling the crunch energies
Impressive is Hulk holding a world together
Beating those feebs...well lets just say was underwhelming
For me, the entire WWH arc was underwhelming, and it showcases the problems with using established, famous characters vs......BiBeast.
Every time WWH was up against someone noteworthy (Ghost Rider, Iron Man, Strange, Juggernaut) there was crappy writing which ended the fight. Almost as if Pak was all set to write some slash fiction, but the editors reined him back, won't you say?
When it came to the HotM storyline, however....he got free rein to showcase how awesome his Hulk was. The only problem was that he was only given some shitty 3rd rate nobodies.
Contrast how and who WBH fought and won, vs WWH.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For me, the entire WWH arc was underwhelming, and it showcases the problems with using established, famous characters vs......BiBeast.Every time WWH was up against someone noteworthy (Ghost Rider, Iron Man, Strange, Juggernaut) there was crappy writing which ended the fight. Almost as if Pak was all set to write some slash fiction, but the editors reined him back, won't you say?
When it came to the HotM storyline, however....he got free rein to showcase how awesome his Hulk was. The only problem was that he was only given some shitty 3rd rate nobodies.
Contrast how and who WBH fought and won, vs WWH.
What's your favorite hulk arc
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If Superman HVed BiBeast in half, I wouldn't be that impressed, no.If Superman, having sun dipped and thus spitting out energy waves melted him, not that impressive.
I mean, impressive is Hal Jordan, unamped, killing Krona whilst he was amped up on all those emotional entities.
So even though Bi Beast withstood hits from a pissed Hulk and an enraged Thor, him being heat visioned in half wouldn't impress you? Hhhhmmmm
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Impressive is Thor defeating Glory which housed a pantheon of godsImpressive is Surfer channelling the crunch energies
Impressive is Hulk holding a world together
Beating those feebs...well lets just say was underwhelming
Not as impressive as melting Heralds. Hell, if someone can melt Colossus with the back lash of their power that would be insane and Colossus power doesn't touch any of the people Hulk melted.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh yes they do place high, my point was that they are eminently disposable. Enough of a recognition factor for it to be impressive, but its hardly Wolverine level popularity.Kinda like fodder Green Lanterns, or when Hal Jordan killed all those GLs on his way to becoming Parallax, or SBP killing Teen Titans....
Not really Arm'Cheddon, and not Armageddon (whoever that is?) Would be about as important as Mongul is in the bigger picture. He is a C -List character, but popularity has little to do with how well he did against the Surfer, and the Hulk. All 3 were/are C list characters though, this can't be disputed.
Originally posted by Stoic
Not really Arm'Cheddon, and not Armageddon (whoever that is?) Would be about as important as Mongul is in the bigger picture. He is a C -List character, but popularity has little to do with how well he did against the Surfer, and the Hulk. All 3 were/are C list characters though, this can't be disputed.
Perfect way of putting it.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Impressive is Thor defeating Glory which housed a pantheon of godsImpressive is Surfer channelling the crunch energies
Impressive is Hulk holding a world together
Beating those feebs...well lets just say was underwhelming
I disagree with you here.
Defeating Krona is a feat that is at least as impressive as beating Glory or channeling the crunch energies.
Holding together two tetonic plates is not even on the same level as these things.
And tbh, that is probably something that Hal could do no problem.
Originally posted by krisblaze
I disagree with you here.Defeating Krona is a feat that is at least as impressive as beating Glory or channeling the crunch energies.
Holding together two tetonic plates is not even on the same level as these things.
And tbh, that is probably something that Hal could do no problem.
It takes more strength to hold a planet together than to tear it apart. And i wasn't discounting the gl feat. I actually was impressed
Originally posted by krisblaze
I disagree with you here.Defeating Krona is a feat that is at least as impressive as beating Glory or channeling the crunch energies.
Holding together two tetonic plates is not even on the same level as these things.
And tbh, that is probably something that Hal could do no problem.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
It takes more strength to hold a planet together than to tear it apart. And i wasn't discounting the gl feat. I actually was impressed
Well that depends on a lot of things 😛
I'm not overly impressed because it's something the lanterns should be able to do fairly easily. Especially when you consider Hal's "earth-harness" or John's ring creating planets, etc.