can't believe this thread is still open. but....enough with the f'in bi-beast. seriously, his performances 40 yrs ago? no one cares. this is the company he is CURRENTLY keeping:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/1-9.jpg.html
not exactly awe-inspiring. wendigo has a number of incarnations and logan has stalemated it. arm-cheddon is cool and powerful, but such a limited number of appearances=nto enough info to reliably grant him a level imo.
hulk's feat was great, he stomps in this fight. let the intent of the showing be enough. talking the WHO involved only WEAKENS the case imo as it leaves open the retorts that have been made over and over. that hulk was intended to be the ultimate incarnation of hulk. that should be enough for anyone.
Originally posted by carver9
A planet much bigger than earth? Holding it together was beastly, especially adding in the fact he was weakened.
Are you talking to me? I was not debating any scans i do not even know the scans the person i responded was talking about but i was just throwing my 10 cents in on what he said.
Originally posted by leonidasThe problem here is that Hulk starts with WW power. That means BA, using speed and ruthlessness, has a good chance. Bfr is always an option. But if Hulk reaches WBH level then BA have little to no chance of winning.
can't believe this thread is still open. but....enough with the f'in bi-beast. seriously, his performances 40 yrs ago? no one cares. this is the company he is CURRENTLY keeping:http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/1-9.jpg.html
not exactly awe-inspiring. wendigo has a number of incarnations and logan has stalemated it. arm-cheddon is cool and powerful, but such a limited number of appearances=nto enough info to reliably grant him a level imo.
hulk's feat was great, he stomps in this fight. let the intent of the showing be enough. talking the WHO involved only WEAKENS the case imo as it leaves open the retorts that have been made over and over. that hulk was intended to be the ultimate incarnation of hulk. that should be enough for anyone.
Originally posted by leonidasThat times 1000 plus another class-100 x1000 casually beaten and along with a large piece of Vegas one shotted into an orbiting spaceship.
can't believe this thread is still open. but....enough with the f'in bi-beast. seriously, his performances 40 yrs ago? no one cares. this is the company he is CURRENTLY keeping:http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/1-9.jpg.html
not exactly awe-inspiring. wendigo has a number of incarnations and logan has stalemated it. arm-cheddon is cool and powerful, but such a limited number of appearances=nto enough info to reliably grant him a level imo.
hulk's feat was great, he stomps in this fight. let the intent of the showing be enough. talking the WHO involved only WEAKENS the case imo as it leaves open the retorts that have been made over and over. that hulk was intended to be the ultimate incarnation of hulk. that should be enough for anyone.
yeah, but that's only impressive if you believe they really WERE 1000x as powerful. imo, that's....ridiculous and was pure hyperbole. it's a very rare case where i absolutely do not believe the text should be taken at face value. in fact, given what pak was trying to do, it's really just in keeping with what he was doing imo--ambiguous amp (based on feats, not text) for fodder-style characters.
like i said, the feat was ridiculous and it's clear that hulk was the most powerful hulk ever. i don't need to dissect the rest to understand that.
Originally posted by carver9BFR could just be a byproduct of an uppercut that sends Hulk to space or very far away. Doesn't have to be intentional.
Black Adam has never use bfr against anyone his entire career. Hulk doesn't even need to enter World Breaker to win this.
Also BA has grade A superspeed and thus Hulk cannot win if he doesn't enter WBH levels.
Originally posted by h1a8
BFR could just be a byproduct of an uppercut that sends Hulk to space or very far away. Doesn't have to be intentional.Also BA has grade A superspeed and thus Hulk cannot win if he doesn't enter WBH levels.
Won't work...especially looking at the way he fought during that arc. He isn't beating Hulk and he isn't bfring him either.
Black Adam does have super speed...sad that he doesn't fight anywhere close to what you think. Hulk doesn't need to enter World Breaker to win this. Black Adam gets overwhelmed.
Originally posted by carver9Hulk can't fly. So what's his defense against being hit into space or very far away?
Won't work...especially looking at the way he fought during that arc. He isn't beating Hulk and he isn't bfring him either.Black Adam does have super speed...sad that he doesn't fight anywhere close to what you think. Hulk doesn't need to enter World Breaker to win this. Black Adam gets overwhelmed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can't fly. So what's his defense against being hit into space or very far away?
The battle field is a dome. Punching Hulk far away wouldn't really do anything since it is enclosed and even if he succeeded at doing this, knowing Adam, he would probably follow Hulk. Adam does not bfr and Hulks damage soak would prevent such things from happening anyways.
Originally posted by leonidas
can't believe this thread is still open. but....enough with the f'in bi-beast. seriously, his performances 40 yrs ago? no one cares. this is the company he is CURRENTLY keeping:http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/1-9.jpg.html
not exactly awe-inspiring. wendigo has a number of incarnations and logan has stalemated it. arm-cheddon is cool and powerful, but such a limited number of appearances=nto enough info to reliably grant him a level imo.
hulk's feat was great, he stomps in this fight. let the intent of the showing be enough. talking the WHO involved only WEAKENS the case imo as it leaves open the retorts that have been made over and over. that hulk was intended to be the ultimate incarnation of hulk. that should be enough for anyone.
What about an immortal Hercules? How strong is he? Keeping company with a group of characters does not mean that your power levels have been reduced. That Wendigo was taken from the Hulk's mind not Rulk's, or Wolverine's mind. That was either the one that fought the Hulk during Wolverine's first appearance, or when the Hulk fought him with the help of Sasquatch. Not at all the same Wendigo, or Wendigo's that were walked on by characters below Savage Hulk. When it comes to that scene you have to debate using continuity, and context.
Back to Hercules. If you were over 100 times tougher than anything that Hercules could put out in terms of damage yield, it would be impossible for Hercules to even hurt you. Am I right? Do you think that Black Adam hits with over 100 time the force of Hercules? The Hulk at that exact time was also no where close to the power levels that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension at the height of his power.
That same Hulk took out a full powered Rulk... Loeb Rulk with a single thunder clap. Ya know, the same Rulk that defeated OF Thor, the same Rulk that killed a watcher, defeated Surfer, etc, etc... Hulk dropped him with ease after tanking all of his attacks. And then mocked him and his strength. WWH AFTER the World at War arc was most Def operating at insane levels. Hell, this same Hulk was able to take on the entirety of the Mindless Ones (and even at their lowest they have been able to give the Avengers hell) when in the same comic, it was said that Umar was unable to achieve this. This doesn't include his Thunderclap at non World Breaker levels knocking down a dimensional barrier. His fts are long but Greenscar, aka WWH was operating at crazy levels. Let's also not forget that World War Hulk power, just a small portion of it created Abomb, Red Hulk (who alone was operating at trans tier levels during the beginning of his creation. Before he stopped using his abilities), She Rulk, and an army of Hulks.
Originally posted by thingy150
Gravity would do a lot of the work in holding a planet together so i assume pulling it apart > holding it together
I think Sin I Am was talking about the forces that the Hulk over powered. He overpowered the imminent explosion that was going to to blow Sakaar to pieces. He actually used more strength in that scene than it would take to lift the entire planet itself. A planet that was larger than the Earth itself.
Originally posted by Stoic
What about an immortal Hercules? How strong is he? Keeping company with a group of characters does not mean that your power levels have been reduced. That Wendigo was taken from the Hulk's mind not Rulk's, or Wolverine's mind. That was either the one that fought the Hulk during Wolverine's first appearance, or when the Hulk fought him with the help of Sasquatch. Not at all the same Wendigo, or Wendigo's that were walked on by characters below Savage Hulk. When it comes to that scene you have to debate using continuity, and context.Back to Hercules. If you were over 100 times tougher than anything that Hercules could put out in terms of damage yield, it would be impossible for Hercules to even hurt you. Am I right? Do you think that Black Adam hits with over 100 time the force of Hercules? The Hulk at that exact time was also no where close to the power levels that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension at the height of his power.
i...really have no idea what you're trying to say. the fact that they were 'drawn from his mind' only further blurs the issue in mind my, as does all the magic that was being thrown around. to your point though--yeah, very often who a character mingles with IS a reflection of their current status. in this case, i'd say for sure it is.
as far as hercules--i assume you're talking about that silly lung feat. lol yeah, call me crazy but i'm nowhere close to acceding the idea that a full-powered herc couldn't even hurt that hulk. herc is arguably the strongest character in marvel in terms of sheer physical strength outside of hulk himself. assuming that ridiculous stat was meant as a direct and accurate corollary leads to ludicrous conclusions and suddenly hulk is a skyfather.
i've had this discussion too many times to go into it. it is a COMIC. lots of things get said and done for the sake of a story, or for the sake of a 'shock value' to make a point, but that doesn't mean common sense needs to be tossed out because some reference is made that MAKES no sense. this is really simple--you want to believe what was said in the text unquestionably, that is your choice. but don't expect me to leap to conclusions that invariably lead to even more nonsensical conclusions. i can see the forest without over-analyzing every tree while not losing any respect at all for the tree itself..... i'm not saying you're not free to believe what you'd like, i'm saying i can come to my own conclusions based on history, intent and the medium itself.
