Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you DID reply to Sin, who was talking about characterisation, and when I agreed with her that Rulk's characterisation was poor in that arc, you called me a hater.
But you are a hater though and Rulk wasn't even brought up because of his character, he was brought up because of his abilities. Don't even know why that part came up, Darkhater.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
1 WWHulk = 133.45 Hercs (actually, it was the gaseous being that had 133.45, NOT Hulk, but w/ever).1 WBHulk = 1000 BiBeasts (conservative, as he melted them, but let's go with the base).
1 BiBeast = 1 Savage Hulk.
1 Savage Hulk = 1 Herc (roughly)1 WBH = 1000 Hercs
Therefore, WBH was only 7.5x more powerful than WWH?
Err I get your intention and even agree with the sentiment that we shouldnt focus too much on numbers but this calculation is totally incoherent and undermines your point entirely. First and foremost it was actually hulk in his Green Scar ergo WWH persona that trounced the x1000 Wendigo and Bi Beast. That said and using that line of reasoning 1 Green Scar is not equal to 1000 bi beasts. He would actually equate to being far stronger than 1000 bi beasts AND 1000 Wendigos. WBH is then far more powerful than Green Scar and ergo the calculation is more damaging to your case than anything.
On a more serious note, I fully agree with the sentiment that we should try not to focus overtly on numbers. When we get caught up in such battleboard minutia we tend to overlook the overall intention of the story. Ideally, everyone should know that WBH was intended by Pak to be the most powerful Hulk ever, far beyond top tier, and there should be no need to harp on such ridiculous fictional details.
The problem is that this is a battleboard and in places like this what is abundantly apparent is often skewed and obscured by individual biases and predispositions. So while it should be clear that WBH is intended to be superior to top tier characters in power levels and the most powerful version of Hulk ever, too many it is not. I have had entire battlezones against respcted posters claiming that WBH is no more powerful than previous versions of Hulk and that he is no more than top tier strengthwise. It is as a result of such distortions and the fact that this IS a battleboard that the numbers are so notable. The fact that this thread is sill open and not yet closed for spite is a testament to this.
Rarely have I seen a character as optimized for battleboard usage as Paks Hulk. A Pak was more concerned with giving Hulk feats that really advancing the story arc and even created an in story power level system to objectively measure powerlevels so as to put his intention beyond any doubt. Heck in his dialogue he even seemed to poke fun at common battleboard claims about the Hulk and brought back old Hulk villains and amped them to ridiculous levels....just to show how much more powerful Hulk was. When comparing character power levels which is the core purpose for VS forums, Pak placed WBH in virtually a category of his own in terms of the overwhelming and objective nature of the evidence.
Is it silly that a writer would create a character with such considerations in mind in the first place. Of course it is. Does that take away from the validity of the evidence itself? Not at all. And in this context thats what matters.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Err I get your intention and even agree with the sentiment that we shouldnt focus too much on numbers but this calculation is totally incoherent and undermines your point entirely. First and foremost it was actually hulk in his Green Scar ergo WWH persona that trounced the x1000 Wendigo and Bi Beast. That said and using that line of reasoning 1 Green Scar is not equal to 1000 bi beasts. He would actually equate to being far stronger than 1000 bi beasts AND 1000 Wendigos. WBH is then far more powerful than Green Scar and ergo the calculation is more damaging to your case than anything.On a more serious note, I fully agree with the sentiment that we should try not to focus overtly on numbers. When we get caught up in such battleboard minutia we tend to overlook the overall intention of the story. Ideally, everyone should know that WBH was intended by Pak to be the most powerful Hulk ever, far beyond top tier, and there should be no need to harp on such ridiculous fictional details.
The problem is that this is a battleboard and in places like this what is abundantly apparent is often skewed and obscured by individual biases and predispositions. So while it should be clear that WBH is intended to be superior to top tier characters in power levels and the most powerful version of Hulk ever, too many it is not. I have had entire battlezones against respcted posters claiming that WBH is no more powerful than previous versions of Hulk and that he is no more than top tier strengthwise. It is as a result of such distortions and the fact that this IS a battleboard that the numbers are so notable. The fact that this thread is sill open and not yet closed for spite is a testament to this.
Rarely have I seen a character as optimized for battleboard usage as Paks Hulk. A Pak was more concerned with giving Hulk feats that really advancing the story arc and even created an in story power level system to objectively measure powerlevels so as to put his intention beyond any doubt. Heck in his dialogue he even seemed to poke fun at common battleboard claims about the Hulk and brought back old Hulk villains and amped them to ridiculous levels....just to show how much more powerful Hulk was. When comparing character power levels which is the core purpose for VS forums, Pak placed WBH in virtually a category of his own in terms of the overwhelming and objective nature of the evidence.
Is it silly that a writer would create a character with such considerations in mind in the first place. Of course it is. Does that take away from the validity of the evidence itself? Not at all. And in this context thats what matters.
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Love this guy (no homo).
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I said this earlier and got no love? Wtf?
You edited your post. You really said this...
"How does Hulk even touch Adam? He reminds me of Superman and if anything reminds me of Superman, they get my vote of 10/10. They can have a S on their chest without any powers, as long as they remind me of Supes, they would stomp Hulk for a high majority. How you like those pies Carver9".
I then reported you.
Originally posted by carver9
You edited your post. You really said this..."How does Hulk even touch Adam? He reminds me of Superman and if anything reminds me of Superman, they get my vote of 10/10. They can have a S on their chest without any powers, as long as they remind me of Supes, they would stomp Hulk for a high majority. How you like those pies Carver9".
I then reported you.
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Originally posted by carver9
You edited your post. You really said this..."How does Hulk even touch Adam? He reminds me of Superman and if anything reminds me of Superman, they get my vote of 10/10. They can have a S on their chest without any powers, as long as they remind me of Supes, they would stomp Hulk for a high majority. How you like those pies Carver9".
I then reported you.
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Originally posted by Naija boy
Err I get your intention and even agree with the sentiment that we shouldnt focus too much on numbers but this calculation is totally incoherent and undermines your point entirely. First and foremost it was actually hulk in his Green Scar ergo WWH persona that trounced the x1000 Wendigo and Bi Beast. That said and using that line of reasoning 1 Green Scar is not equal to 1000 bi beasts. He would actually equate to being far stronger than 1000 bi beasts AND 1000 Wendigos. WBH is then far more powerful than Green Scar and ergo the calculation is more damaging to your case than anything.On a more serious note, I fully agree with the sentiment that we should try not to focus overtly on numbers. When we get caught up in such battleboard minutia we tend to overlook the overall intention of the story. Ideally, everyone should know that WBH was intended by Pak to be the most powerful Hulk ever, far beyond top tier, and there should be no need to harp on such ridiculous fictional details.
The problem is that this is a battleboard and in places like this what is abundantly apparent is often skewed and obscured by individual biases and predispositions. So while it should be clear that WBH is intended to be superior to top tier characters in power levels and the most powerful version of Hulk ever, too many it is not. I have had entire battlezones against respcted posters claiming that WBH is no more powerful than previous versions of Hulk and that he is no more than top tier strengthwise. It is as a result of such distortions and the fact that this IS a battleboard that the numbers are so notable. The fact that this thread is sill open and not yet closed for spite is a testament to this.
Rarely have I seen a character as optimized for battleboard usage as Paks Hulk. A Pak was more concerned with giving Hulk feats that really advancing the story arc and even created an in story power level system to objectively measure powerlevels so as to put his intention beyond any doubt. Heck in his dialogue he even seemed to poke fun at common battleboard claims about the Hulk and brought back old Hulk villains and amped them to ridiculous levels....just to show how much more powerful Hulk was. When comparing character power levels which is the core purpose for VS forums, Pak placed WBH in virtually a category of his own in terms of the overwhelming and objective nature of the evidence.
Is it silly that a writer would create a character with such considerations in mind in the first place. Of course it is. Does that take away from the validity of the evidence itself? Not at all. And in this context thats what matters.
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Ignore the numbers I was using. Focus instead on the intent that I was bringing to the table, i.e. not to focus on the numbers. It was a message within a message.
META!
But yeah. We all agree that WBH was miles above WWH. And would stomp BA in this thread.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆Ignore the numbers I was using. Focus instead on the intent that I was bringing to the table, i.e. not to focus on the numbers. It was a message within a message.
META!
But yeah. We all agree that WBH was miles above WWH. And would stomp BA in this thread.
Are you one of the individuals (just asking) that considers World Breaker Herald level?
Originally posted by carver9
Are you one of the individuals (just asking) that considers World Breaker Herald level?
WBH is herald level or lower when it comes to certain aspects such as combat speed/reactions, matter manipulation, and esoteric influence of reality. In terms of raw strength and power he is above high herald, but his ability to apply and actualize that power is extremely limited and below herald level.
Originally posted by Board Walker
WBH is herald level or lower when it comes to certain aspects such as combat speed/reactions, matter manipulation, and esoteric influence of reality. In terms of raw strength and power he is above high herald, but his ability to apply and actualize that power is extremely limited and below herald level.
Speed and reaction time he have. You do know some of your favorite characters doesn't have close to what you are implying but they are still Herald level right? I think overall power and application of said power determines the status of a character. Example, Surfer has more exotic abilities than Superman, Black Adam, and Captain Marvel combined but the way those 3 apply their powers put them on the level of Surfer. Same with Thor...His choice of powers is unlimited but Black Adam is on his level (even though his only exotic ability is lightning).
Originally posted by carver9
Speed and reaction time he have. You do know some of your favorite characters doesn't have close to what you are implying but they are still Herald level right? I think overall power and application of said power determines the status of a character. Example, Surfer has more exotic abilities than Superman, Black Adam, and Captain Marvel combined but the way those 3 apply their powers put them on the level of Surfer. Same with Thor...His choice of powers is unlimited but Black Adam is on his level (even though his only exotic ability is lightning).
Black Adam actually has a wide range of feats in utilizing his powers in a esoteric manner, from shape shifting, to the common lightning, to incantations, summoning, bindings, and mysticism overall.
The reason I do not place WBH above the herald class is because his lack of combat speed, and movement speed feats means he will be defeated by most high heralds. One of the staples of being a high herald combatant is possessing extremely high movement/combat speed, and or a combination of the two. WBH possesses the strength, power, durability, but he does not possess the speed and combat reaction times.
Overall a high herald who utilizes their speed/combat speed could kill/KO WBH with a great degree of success due to WBH's lack of said speed. It is the only aspect of power that holds WBH back from exceeding the herald tier.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Black Adam actually has a wide range of feats in utilizing his powers in a esoteric manner, from shape shifting, to the common lightning, to incantations, summoning, bindings, and mysticism overall.The reason I do not place WBH above the herald class is because his lack of combat speed, and movement speed feats means he will be defeated by most high heralds. One of the staples of being a high herald combatant is possessing extremely high movement/combat speed, and or a combination of the two. WBH possesses the strength, power, durability, but he does not possess the speed and combat reaction times.
Overall a high herald who utilizes their speed/combat speed could kill/KO WBH with a great degree of success due to WBH's lack of said speed. It is the only aspect of power that holds WBH back from exceeding the herald tier.
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Originally posted by carver9
You edited your post. You really said this..."How does Hulk even touch Adam? He reminds me of Superman and if anything reminds me of Superman, they get my vote of 10/10. They can have a S on their chest without any powers, as long as they remind me of Supes, they would stomp Hulk for a high majority. How you like those pies Carver9".
I then reported you.