WW3 Black Adam vs WB Hulk

Started by Stoic8 pages

Originally posted by leonidas
i...really have no idea what you're trying to say. the fact that they were 'drawn from his mind' only further blurs the issue in mind my, as does all the magic that was being thrown around. to your point though--yeah, very often who a character mingles with IS a reflection of their current status. in this case, i'd say for sure it is.

as far as hercules--i assume you're talking about that silly lung feat. lol yeah, call me crazy but i'm nowhere close to acceding the idea that a full-powered herc couldn't even hurt that hulk. herc is arguably the strongest character in marvel in terms of sheer physical strength outside of hulk himself. assuming that ridiculous stat was meant as a direct and accurate corollary leads to ludicrous conclusions and suddenly hulk is a skyfather.

i've had this discussion too many times to go into it. it is a COMIC. lots of things get said and done for the sake of a story, or for the sake of a 'shock value' to make a point, but that doesn't mean common sense needs to be tossed out because some reference is made that MAKES no sense. this is really simple--you want to believe what was said in the text unquestionably, that is your choice. but don't expect me to leap to conclusions that invariably lead to even more nonsensical conclusions. i can see the forest without over-analyzing every tree while not losing any respect at all for the tree itself..... i'm not saying you're not free to believe what you'd like, i'm saying i can come to my own conclusions based on history, intent and the medium itself.

No they were plucked out of time. The ones that he fought were the ones that he saw as being a threat to him at one time. We did not see a nerfed down Bi-Beast, Wendigo, or Arm'Cheddon.

Now as for things being non sense to you, the feat was canon. The Hulk was also able to amplify his stats on a whim at that point in time. Hope was measured by technological means, and they weren't taken from opinion. There is a difference between hyperbolic statements made in awe, and statements made by technological means. You not believing it, or buying into it is on you, but your opinion on the matter does not somehow render the feat invalid. The Bi-Beast may be the class clown now, but the one that was placed in conflict with the Hulk once again was the one that he knew to be a threat. You even arguing about this leads me to believe that you are attempting to place the Hulk at this level on some basic top tiers level, while leaving out the fact that throughout the entire story line, he was stated to be more powerful than he has ever been. There are some very ridiculous feats attached to his previous incarnations alone for us to realize that the Green Scar was well above Hercules. 133.45 Herc's to be exact according to on panel proof.

sure he was above herc. above 133 of them? lol as i said believe what you will, it's of no difference to. i also don't believe it was actually intended the c-listers were all 1000x as powerful. it's abundantly clear hulk was powerful--more powerful than ever. that doesn't require a numerical evaluation of the feats i'm afraid, nor should those numbers be used for a basis of comparison on how he would do against ACTUAL top tier heralds. would be win? sure. would be prove to be a 1000x more powerful, or even 100x more powerful? not in this guy's opinion. out of curiosity, can you list the guys green scar beat in straight 1on1 fights....? or maybe even more telling who did he FAIL to beat...? anyone feel free to anser.

the reason i'm arguing it is simple--these nonsensical numerical values are not necessary to understand the basic point of the story--he was stronger than ever, above top tier guys. using the numbers to create some silly chain of ABC logic? leads to nothing but the nonsense prevalent throughout the thread.

but, continue to argue all you'd like. intent is enough for me. i'll let others worry about the numbers and the value of the enemies he beat. my opinion is set on the matter.

1 WWHulk = 133.45 Hercs (actually, it was the gaseous being that had 133.45, NOT Hulk, but w/ever).

1 WBHulk = 1000 BiBeasts (conservative, as he melted them, but let's go with the base).

1 BiBeast = 1 Savage Hulk.
1 Savage Hulk = 1 Herc (roughly)

1 WBH = 1000 Hercs

Therefore, WBH was only 7.5x more powerful than WWH?

1 herc is not = energy used by hercules in a punch wich was registred by a machine ?

If you have 3 hercs of power , is not equal to be " 3 times more powerfull" than Hercules in overall.

I think Pak made it clear that Green Scar was significantly above top tier.

Thor, Ms. Marvel, Spiderman, the Fantastic Four, War Machine, along with other Avengers was on the battle field and Hulk treated them like Fodder. Pak threw at us the obvious...Hulk was most Def above top tier. Here is casual toss the Avengers and Fantastic Four to the side and states that he has turned back into WWH and none of them can stop him (remember who's out there).

http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media-full//IncredibleHulk611005.jpg.html
http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/IncredibleHulk611006.jpg.html

Skaar then adds 100 trillion tons to his already increased power and none of the Avengers or Fantastic Four could even budge him.

http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/IncredibleHulk611008.jpg.html

But Hulk treats him like fodder and tells him he could crush him like an egg.

http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/IncredibleHulk611011.jpg.html

I get what Leo is saying and he makes perfect sense but I also knew what Pak was telling us as well, that Hulk strength doesn't have any limits and he displayed that in his writing. Taking on an amped by Beast. Achieving something that Umar herself was unable to achieve. Everything, just everything. Hell, at his weakest Pak had Greenscar tank a bomb that nearly split planet Sakaar in half and he had him hold the planet together, and again, he was weakened.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
1 herc is not = energy used by hercules in a punch wich was registred by a machine ?

If you have 3 hercs of power , is not equal to be " 3 times more powerfull" than Hercules in overall.

Where did you get that from? It's the MAXIMUM output of power Herc can deliver in a punch. MAXIMUM...His all. If i punch you in the face with everything I have and you stand there and tank it, what does that tell you?

Im in awe of this thread

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im in awe of this thread

👆 Numbers are something to collectively jizz over.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 Numbers are something to collectively jizz over.

What scene from All star Superman made you think he was extremely powerful?

Originally posted by carver9
What scene from All star Superman made you think he was extremely powerful?

When he stalemated two guys in armwrestling.

And when he was with that suneater.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When he stalemated two guys in armwrestling.

And when he was with that suneater.

Lol...no it isn't. You're dodging.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...no it isn't. You're dodging.

Don't tell me what I believe! You're not my dad!!!!

But yeah. Only because you brought Superman up:

Remember how you and I both ripped Abhi for that Superman benching the Earth for 5 days feat, as it was then contradicted by his mountain shattering punches?

IOW, directly applicable feats were > some numbered feat.

Nobody is saying WBH wasn't powerful. Nobody. We all agree he was, and barring a few peopl here, most here believe he was >Black Adam.

But to cling to the numbers like some proof, and say WBH was only about 7.5x (let's be generous and say 10x) WWH is....not right, IMHO.

Another example to use is the Flash and his rescuing of the N Koreans.

Were Wendigo/BiBeast really 1000x their power levels when they gave Savage Hulk a good fight, back in the day? Well, if you just take the numbers at face value, sure.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Don't tell me what I believe! You're not my dad!!!!

But yeah. Only because you brought Superman up:

Remember how you and I both ripped Abhi for that Superman benching the Earth for 5 days feat, as it was then contradicted by his mountain shattering punches?

IOW, directly applicable feats were > some numbered feat.

Nobody is saying WBH wasn't powerful. Nobody. We all agree he was, and barring a few peopl here, most here believe he was >Black Adam.

But to cling to the numbers like some proof, and say WBH was only about 7.5x (let's be generous and say 10x) is....not right, IMHO.

I eventually ended up accepting that ft though (earth benching).

How is this even a fight?

Hulk one shots him.

Originally posted by carver9
I eventually ended up accepting that ft though (earth benching).

I subsequently added a bit more to my post:

Another example to use is the Flash and his rescuing of the N Koreans.

Were Wendigo/BiBeast really 1000x their power levels when they gave Savage Hulk a good fight, back in the day? Well, if you just take the numbers at face value, sure.

With regards to your eventual acceptance, was it because you were swayed by Abhi, or was it because you subsequently saw OTHER feats of Superman which bolstered his benching feat?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I subsequently added a bit more to my post:

With regards to your eventual acceptance, was it because you were swayed by Abhi, or was it because you subsequently saw OTHER feats of Superman which bolstered his benching feat?

A number was given for the Flash ft though.

Naah, I never disputed the fact that he didn't bench Earth, I said his punching power didn't match his Earth benching ft. I eventually accepted both though. Not because of any other fts because he recently gained fts that is comparable to that and I accepted the bench ft a long time ago. I accepted it because it's Superman. He is the elite in strength on his planet.

I'm accepting the Bi Beast ft because I knew Pak intention and with the size increase along with the wish that was made, I think they were amped to those levels.

Originally posted by carver9
A number was given for the Flash ft though.

Naah, I never disputed the fact that he didn't bench Earth, I said his punching power didn't match his Earth benching ft. I eventually accepted both though. Not because of any other fts because he recently gained fts that is comparable to that and I accepted the bench ft a long time ago. I accepted it because it's Superman. He is the elite in strength on his planet.

I'm accepting the Bi Beast ft because I knew Pak intention and with the size increase along with the wish that was made, I think they were amped to those levels.

We all know Pak's intention. And we all accept that they were amped.

But as my silly little calculation shows, that would put WBH at around 10 WWhs. Whereas I would have put him higher than that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We all know Pak's intention. And we all accept that they were amped.

But as my silly little calculation shows, that would put WBH at around 10 WWhs. Whereas I would have put him higher than that.

Did you use the Bi Beast and Wendigo fight against WWH as proof of WBH only be 10 times as powerful?

Anyways, Thor had a long fight against Bi Beast that lasted an entire comic and he got overpowered with ease more than once. Here is one instance...

Another instance...

Tanks a punch from Thor and proceeds at repeating the same process of showing the strength difference.

Withstood a hammer throw without a scream in pain or any damage and shows the physical advantage again.

Thor then ram him into a machine and pound on him with Mjlonir which takes him out of the fight.

Bi Beast on Average is physical High Herald tier. His fights against Hulk shows this as well. Hulk melting an amped version of Bi Beast is an insane ft. Like I've said before, Bi Beast have one low showing that goes against everything he's done. The guy is a physical monster.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
1 WWHulk = 133.45 Hercs (actually, it was the gaseous being that had 133.45, NOT Hulk, but w/ever).

1 WBHulk = 1000 BiBeasts (conservative, as he melted them, but let's go with the base).

1 BiBeast = 1 Savage Hulk.
1 Savage Hulk = 1 Herc (roughly)

1 WBH = 1000 Hercs

Therefore, WBH was only 7.5x more powerful than WWH?

Add another 334 Herclues punching at maximum capacity (and don't forget, he has lifted the heavens before) to make 1 WBH being equal to 1334 Hercs, and you get to WBH being 10x.

That seems spot on, using the numbers given. Being 33% more powerful than someone who was 1000x amped would melt them.