Superman Vs Martian Manhunter

1. Superman has MMs power set, not his own. Only experience he has is (besides using his own all his life) what he knows from fighting beside MM and fighting foes with like powers.

2. Martian Manhunter has Supes' power set, not his own. Only experience he has is (besides using his own all his life) what he knows from fighting beside Supes and fighting foes with like powers.

Pre DCnu versions. No prep. No BFR. Midtown Manhattan. Start distance 1 city block.

EDIT
In the above scenarios, they are in equal bodies. Supes has MM powers. So does MM.

MM with Supes powers. So does Supes.

Superman loses this, MAssive weakness with HV, but also, that lack of control with telepathy is liability.

But MM body dont have weakeness to the HV. It is a psicologic fear, dont ?

Also, MM alredy used intangibility against Prime HV.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
But MM body dont have weakeness to the HV. It is a psicologic fear, dont ?

Also, MM alredy used intangibility against Prime HV.

Meh, they SAID it was psychological, but we sawit affecting him later on as well.

MM used intangibility, sure. Would Clark have the experience for using it?

Although, I see there is an edit. Does this mean they BOTH have a weakness to fire/Kryptonite?

Yeah, same powers, same weaknesses, individual experience only.

Hmm. Well, MM should have an easier time of it - Superman's powerset isn't that different from his, only in scale.

Superman now has to learn how to control new powers such as intangibility, maintaining his form, telepathy etc.

The intangibility shouldn't be too hard - after all, when he was Electric Blue Superman, he had some measure of experience with it.

However, I also remember how long it took for him to get used to his new powers. So he isn't THAT quick a study.That telepathy is going to be a huge liability, IMHO, when he starts getting overloaded. So MM would win this.

Neat.
Hadnt thought of a few of those factors at all.

ON THE OTHER HAND.....

Martian knowledge is genetic. MM has the combined knowledge of his entire culture in his DNA, which includes telepathic warfare tactics (amongst other things).

Ergo, if they are in equal bodies, Superman should have the knowledge within him. It'll be close, and I still give it to MM, but its dependent on how quickly Superman can access the knowledge etc.

MY BOY MARTIAN MANHUNTER HAS THE ROUND WHERE THEY HAVE THE SAME POWERS.

When they both share clarks powers i think that clark has some pretty good martial arts techniques including being taught by batman and knowing forms of kryptonian martial arts.

MMH wins round 1, superman wins round 2.

Originally posted by thingy150
MY BOY MARTIAN MANHUNTER HAS ROUND 1

When they both share clarks powers i think that clark has some pretty good martial arts techniques including being taught by batman and knowing forms of kryptonian martial arts.

MMH wins round 1, superman wins round 2.

How we can know how hard is to control MM powers ?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
How we can know how hard is to control MM powers ?

Did ms martian struggle with her powers, i have not read much of anything with her but if she struggles to control her powers like she does in YJ then that is your answer.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
How we can know how hard is to control MM powers ?

Because MM needs focus and meditation and control with his TP. And the shapeshifting is dependent on studying their opponent and using TP.

IOW, his powers aren't instinctual. Hence why Plastic Man was so well suited against Fernus.

Now, if they aren't instinctual, does it mean that it's hard? No. To answer your question, 'how hard is it', I don't know. But I am using his experience when he got new powers as Electric Superman, as a yardstick to how he performs when he gets new powers.

Edit: found the scan I referred to:

The Martian can't compete without full concentration

Nice.

Darksaint, nice breakdown.

Where did it show that martian memory is genetic??

Originally posted by beatboks
Darksaint, nice breakdown.

Where did it show that martian memory is genetic??

I will look out for it, don't have my scans atm. IIRC, it was in WW3 (the Morrison penned one) where J'onn teaches Batman how to fly the Martian ship in Limbo; also, the genetic memories unlocked which makes Fernus fear the GLs/Vandal SAvage.

He's also made reference to it on other occasions, but will try and dig those up.

There is also this reference, although it refers to telepathic downloading. Gets rid of the plot hole whereby the last surviving member of your race may be a drooling idiot.

Martian Manhunter takes this

Superman, bit, stronger, bit faster, HV. But it will be close.

Martian Manhunter wins. Same stats but overall more powerful and versatile.