Superman Vs Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by carver9
Martian Manhunter wins. Same stats but overall more powerful and versatile.

Are you serious? They have the same exact stats and abilities they are both just as powerful.

did you read the op, they each get each others powers.

Manhunter wins from experience when they both have manhunters powers but when they both have clarks powers it will come down to fighting ability and clark has some training from batman and also kryptonian martial arts.

My question is really, can Supes win while basically having his power set at a lessened degree plus unfamiliar powers, and can MM win while having basically having his power set to a greater degree minus a handful of powers....

The op is a bit confusing, is it two separate fights?

Yeah.

Supes with MM powers vs MM with his normal power set and the other way around.

Ah. I was confused.

Fight 1 (Supes with MM powers vs MM with his own powers): Supes loses.
Fight 2 (MM with Supes powers vs Supes): Supes wins.

I gotta ask, why and why?
I enjoy you're reasoning.

superman has merged minds with j'onn before. He knows how martian powers works.

Of course he does.
I know how a car works, doesnt mean i'm a race car driver.
Before you start ranting, the same goes for MM as relates to kryptonian powers he doesnt have.

Superman also has lived a whole life as a martian when he was subjected to a machine that showed how his life in alternate timelines. So no.

Right, so that counts why? How?

Or is the answer to both questions "so Superman can be a better martian than a martian."
Typical abhi hypocrisy. Hopefully someone will take your bait. I wont. 😛

So nothing as usual? I said superman knows how to use martian powers not that he is better than j'onn at it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman also has lived a whole life as a martian when he was subjected to a machine that showed how his life in alternate timelines. So no.

Lol. Where were you, abhi, when people were claiming Black Adam//Orion were Superman's equal?

^haha

Originally posted by riv6672
I gotta ask, why and why?
I enjoy you're reasoning.

1. Supes loses for the reasons I talked about before.
2. Supes wins because cutting MM off from his other senses would be quite debilitating for him - like blinding Hawkeye but giving him super strength, if you will. He relies so much on his TP.

Plus, making him equal to Supes in speed/strength etc would only mean that Supes will have the advantage of his MA training to tip the odds.

I never understood why MA training is supposed to help Superman that much?

The martial arts we have now are mostly about utilizing weaknesses and strengths of the human body/centered around the way humans move. Beyond the fact that Superman looks like us none of this applies to him. I'm confident that whatever fighting-style Superman develops on his own, using his own abilities, would be infinitely better than whatever earthly style he adapts.

Well, Comics wise, we've all seen skilled combatants out perform stronger, super powered foes. Superman being a good fighter does count when pitted against someone physically equal/stronger.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I never understood why MA training is supposed to help Superman that much?

The martial arts we have now are mostly about utilizing weaknesses and strengths of the human body/centered around the way humans move. Beyond the fact that Superman looks like us none of this applies to him. I'm confident that whatever fighting-style Superman develops on his own, using his own abilities, would be infinitely better than whatever earthly style he adapts.

It helps when he is fighting someone who has the exact same physical characteristics as him. He's Kryptonian, yes, but his joints still seem to have the same range of motion as a human (so bend his elbow back a certain way, it will snap etc). Principles of force redirection and blocking would also still apply.

When the body has certain rules it MUST obey (punching with your fist is more effective than, say, using your butt to charge into someone, or an elbow/knee packs more force than a finger flick) than Earth based MAs would be helpful.

Originally posted by riv6672
Yeah.

Supes with MM powers vs MM with his normal power set and the other way around.

Thanks, that is what i thought.

(and that is why carver's comment was so dumb lol)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Where were you, abhi, when people were claiming Black Adam//Orion were Superman's equal?

Orion has been stated to be supermans equal on panel and he knocked out a young superman, lol are you really that slow.