Mask vs Manhattan

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Unless the mask can destroy the universe and the universal quantum field, how can he destroy Manhattan?

Well, that's the thing. The Mask's powers don't operate on any level of logic or physical laws etc. It works purely by imagination, which is what makes it so dangerous.

For example, Stanley is a bank clerk who probably knows jack shit about weaponry. Yet, as the Mask, he made a black balloon turn into a proper tommy gun that fired real bullets, simply because that's what he wanted, or imagined, should happen at the time. He didn't need to have any understanding about the mechanics of what he was doing.

So, like I said, the Mask's wearer should theoretically be able to pull of some insane feat, like whip up a machine to take Manhattan's powers away, if they had the imagination to do so, without needing to know how such a machine would even work. But, like I also said, none of the wielders have shown the level of imagination in order to do this. So, as things stand, I don't see any of the movie wearers actually winning.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The guns were fake and didn't work.

Manhattan made a machine with human technology available at the time to replicate his power.

Insane feat.

Pretty sure at multiple times in the movie that he was able to fire those guns. Point is, Mask can make something out of nothing. That is more power than Manhattan ever displayed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Pretty sure at multiple times in the movie that he was able to fire those guns. Point is, Mask can make something out of nothing. That is more power than Manhattan ever displayed.

Nope, he never fired those guns, not once, not ever.. sorry.

Most of the stuff Mask did was fake and illusions.

That is less power then anything Manhattan did, I guess you forgot what he did on Mars. He created a working superstructure out of the ground with his mind on an instant in which he had to change and manipulate vast amounts of elements at whim.

Didn't Mask create some kind of Spirit bomb when he was in the alley interrogating someone?

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't Mask create some kind of Spirit bomb when he was in the alley interrogating someone?

Carver I have never known you to troll like this.

And no he didn't make a spirit bomb.

You might want to look at this vid for some of his fts. Don't see how Manhattan can even hurt him. Don't know if this is a music vid since I had the sound down when playing it.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw7AuiSIOE4

Originally posted by carver9
You might want to look at this vid for some of his fts. Don't see how Manhattan can even hurt him. Don't know if this is a music vid since I had the sound down when playing it.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw7AuiSIOE4

You must be joking. Which feat there is that impressive, pulling some thugs underwear over his head, or smashing a clock.

Real impressive bro!

Here is a real quantifiable feat.

aka god mode.

YouTube video

Context to your ft. The point of my post was to show you he can create anything and he can not be hurt.

Originally posted by carver9
Context to your ft. The point of my post was to show you he can create anything and he can not be hurt.

Because he was hit with billets that means he can't be hurt to you?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Because he was hit with billets that means he can't be hurt to you?

Is that all you saw during that scene was bullets? Look again.

I read somewhere the forces behind the mask is irrational beyond man's comprehension.The wearer is able to bend time and space.. Dr. M will have his hands full. What Dr. M will not grasp is the power of magic.

Good thing, DM is not a man.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Nope, he never fired those guns, not once, not ever.. sorry.

Most of the stuff Mask did was fake and illusions.

That is less power then anything Manhattan did, I guess you forgot what he did on Mars. He created a working superstructure out of the ground with his mind on an instant in which he had to change and manipulate vast amounts of elements at whim.

Ok I think my memory's confused. Now that I think about it, I believe it was Dorian while he was wearing the mask that made the real guns.

Still proves that the mask gives you powers to create functional items out of thin air.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok I think my memory's confused. Now that I think about it, I believe it was Dorian while he was wearing the mask that made the real guns.

Still proves that the mask gives you powers to create functional items out of thin air.

A Tommy gun? And that is gonna function against DM how?

DM atomizes anything mask makes and sends him packing.

The mask plugs his reading lamp into Doctor Manhattan and spends all his power reading comic books into it fizzles out.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok I think my memory's confused. Now that I think about it, I believe it was Dorian while he was wearing the mask that made the real guns.

Still proves that the mask gives you powers to create functional items out of thin air.

Look at the vid i posted. The Mask made real guns/bullets out of a balloon.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
A Tommy gun? And that is gonna function against DM how?

DM atomizes anything mask makes and sends him packing.

That's not the point. What I was trying to point out was that Dr. Manhattan needs actual parts to create stuff and he needs time as well.

The Mask can create things out of thin air instantaneously. Functional items and not merely illusions.

It proves that as powerful as Manhattan is, he's still limited by the physics of the real world. The Mask is beyond that, able to create/unmake things at will, making him definitely more powerful.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's not the point. What I was trying to point out was that Dr. Manhattan needs actual parts to create stuff and he needs time as well.

The Mask can create things out of thin air instantaneously. Functional items and not merely illusions.

It proves that as powerful as Manhattan is, he's still limited by the physics of the real world. The Mask is beyond that, able to create/unmake things at will, making him definitely more powerful.

Actually he does not.

IE, Mars feat.

And his post movie life creation feats.

Manhattan is not limited to things of the physical world. He does not exist in it, merely his avatar does.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
The mask plugs his reading lamp into Doctor Manhattan and spends all his power reading comic books into it fizzles out.

That won't work. His power cannot be drained.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Actually he does not.

IE, Mars feat.

And his post movie life creation feats.

Manhattan is not limited to things of the physical world. He does not exist in it, merely his avatar does.

How exactly does his mars feat and life creation feat prove that he's above the limits of reality and physics?