Originally posted by Robtard
Good fight, somewhat hard to say when dealing with two abstract guys. Manhattan can exist as consciousness alone, that's probably beyond the Mask's ability as his powers are tied to the mask.I'd give this one to Manhattan, despite The Mask being cartoon-level.
Bravo, and cheers.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
It was off screen feat that he spoke of going to go do after leaving earth and going to another galaxy or universe to create life.
Ok so it wasn't exactly shown that he was doing it?
The reason I ask is because life can be "grown" over time as long as you have the right conditions, and that might have been what Manhattan was talking about. That's completely different from just snapping your fingers and creating life.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok so it wasn't exactly shown that he was doing it?The reason I ask is because life can be "grown" over time as long as you have the right conditions, and that might have been what Manhattan was talking about. That's completely different from just snapping your fingers and creating life.
No it was not shown, but lets be real, I doubt the man would lie and say he was going to do something that he could not do.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
No it was not shown, but lets be real, I doubt the man would lie and say he was going to do something that he could not do.
Oh I'm not saying he couldn't, just that I doubt he can do it instantaneously. Like I said previously, we see the Mask making stuff out of thin air with but a thought. Manhattan hasn't shown the capability to do that. Creating something out of nothing is a whole lot more difficult than destroying something.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh I'm not saying he couldn't, just that I doubt he can do it instantaneously. Like I said previously, we see the Mask making stuff out of thin air with but a thought. Manhattan hasn't shown the capability to do that. Creating something out of nothing is a whole lot more difficult than destroying something.
I agree, if you can come up with something that the mask could do that that can destroy a universal quantum field consciousness and I see it working then I will agree with you, hows that?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I agree, if you can come up with something that the mask could do that that can destroy a universal quantum field consciousness and I see it working then I will agree with you, hows that?
Meh, I could counter this with "If you can come up with proof that Manhattan can create something from nothing like the Mask regularly does then I'll give you the win."
After all, I assume in this match that prep time is not included. So Manhattan won't have the time to create all those world-destroying gadgets of his no?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Meh, I could counter this with "If you can come up with proof that Manhattan can create something from nothing like the Mask regularly does then I'll give you the win."After all, I assume in this match that prep time is not included. So Manhattan won't have the time to create all those world-destroying gadgets of his no?
He does not need to create those he can harness that power at whim. He created those to replicate some of his power for a clean, unlimited form of energy for the planet.
Originally posted by Robtard
If Manhattan is incapable of putting The Mask down via matter manipulation, he could easily win via BFR by teleporting The Mask to another galaxy, while not caring of course
And the Mask can just pop back, or not allow himself to go. Or open a hole through the floor and pop back up. That's how his cartoonishness works.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And the Mask can just pop back, or not allow himself to go. Or open a hole through the floor and pop back up. That's how his cartoonishness works.
Not sure The Mask showed universe travel level abilities or the ability to stop someone from transporting him.
But his cartoon-powers do suggest that your argument while not strictly supported with feats, isn't beyond reason.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
DM makes mask cease to exist by removing his mask and atomizing it.
It's well established that the mask can only be removed if the wearer wants it to be removed. And even if Manhattan can somehow get the wearer to want to remove the mask, there is no proof that he can simply atomize a magical artifact created by a Norse god. Otherwise, it would be easy for a mask supporter to say that the mask simply pulls a quantum energy dustbuster out of his ass and sucks up Manhattan. As things stand, I am seeing this as a stalemate.
And just to be technical, that clock in the first film displayed sentience and was born from the Mask's power, so it can be argued that the Mask can also create life. 😛
Just to add, Manhattan will be soooo confused by the the Mask magical elements that it would not register with Manhattan's logical reasoning. The Mask dumps Mr. Quantum Blue into the 2 Dimensional verse.
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's not the point. What I was trying to point out was that Dr. Manhattan needs actual parts to create stuff and he needs time as well.The Mask can create things out of thin air instantaneously. Functional items and not merely illusions.
It proves that as powerful as Manhattan is, he's still limited by the physics of the real world. The Mask is beyond that, able to create/unmake things at will, making him definitely more powerful.
