Gambit vs Captain America

Are you going to continue to derail the thread or are you ready to get back on topic, like I did in my last post?

I derailed the thread, me? You derailed the thread just to be an d-bag

you can get back on topic but it seems that you have to get the last word in about your smart ass, immature comments, just stop, you are not going to get the last word in when you are the one who derailed the thread.

I've tried getting the thread back on topic with my last couple posts, but you insist on posting about how mean I was to point out your mistake, so yes, you are in fact the one that is currently responsible for derailing the thread.

Let's try this again, Cap wins after a good fight.

I will derail this thread as much as i want, quit being condescending, it is not your job to get this thread back on track, just leave and let someone else do it, you have to get the last word in don't you?

Originally posted by thingy150
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2351057-gambit_charges_daken.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2351058-gambit_charges_daken2.jpg

remy could potentially do this to cap, cap taking on spiderman in my opinion is cis that stems from caps popularity, without the popularity factor here captain america is peak human fighting against the faster gambit, remy can pull some wins.

I am not arguing that remy wins every round i am arguing that cap does not win as much as you think, no morals, remy is a very tough fight.

Right, I can understand CIS holding Spiderman from landing blows on Cap - but you're essentially saying Spiderman's CIS was making him take a beating from Cap.

Spiderman's not that stupid.

He has precog, and reflexes/speed. Whilst I admit he could've been holding back from punching Cap, neither did he have to get hit. But he was.

I am just saying that cap being able to touch him is pis, i dont think cap should have been able to touch him, popularity does wonders to characters abilities but cap should not be able to stand toe to toe with peter.

Why is it PIS? Is Orion touching Superman CIS/PIS?

Originally posted by carver9
Why is it PIS? Is Orion touching Superman CIS/PIS?

He has touched superman multiple times and has shown super speed along with the fact that orion is a god, captain america is supposed to be peak human, he should not be able to touch someone who has been shown to be faster than him with precognition.

Nice try tho buddy

Originally posted by thingy150
He has touched superman multiple times and has shown super speed along with the fact that orion is a god, captain america is supposed to be peak human, he should not be able to touch someone who has been shown to be faster than him with precognition.

Nice try tho buddy

Cap is super human and has touched Spiderman more than once. So again, is Orion touching Superman PIS/CIS?

Originally posted by thingy150
He has touched superman multiple times and has shown super speed along with the fact that orion is a god, captain america is supposed to be peak human, he should not be able to touch someone who has been shown to be faster than him with precognition.

Nice try tho buddy

We don't just go on handbooks, though. We go by what has been shown on panel.

No peak human can see fast enough to dodge multiple assault rifle bullets. None. Cap is beyond peak human, just like Batman isn't just human level.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We don't just go on handbooks, though. We go by what has been shown on panel.

No peak human can see fast enough to dodge multiple assault rifle bullets. None. Cap is beyond peak human, just like Batman isn't just human level.

He should still not be able to touch spiderman, if we go off of what we see in panel then why am i arguing with delta.

some things in panel are stupid, like thor being held down by one frost giant(he was exhausted but still)

Originally posted by thingy150
He should still not be able to touch spiderman, if we go off of what we see in panel then why am i arguing with delta.

some things in panel are stupid, like thor being held down by one frost giant(he was exhausted but still)

So....we ignore what's been shown on panel? And merely go on what the handbooks say they are?

No human, no matter how well trained, at the peak of their powers, is dodging assault rifle fire.

Am ignoring what you're arguing with delta. That's a separate item.

Also, Cap has punched Spiderman before. Both in the past, and in the present:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....we ignore what's been shown on panel? And merely go on what the handbooks say they are?

No human, no matter how well trained, at the peak of their powers, is dodging assault rifle fire.

Am ignoring what you're arguing with delta. That's a separate item.

I am not arguing about handbooks right now, i am saying that he should not be able to touch spiderman who has a precog, not talking about handbooks.

I could be wrong but i dont think cap should be able to touch spiderman either way.

Originally posted by thingy150
I could be wrong but i dont think cap should be able to touch spiderman either way.

Originally posted by thingy150
I am not arguing about handbooks right now, i am saying that he should not be able to touch spiderman who has a precog, not talking about handbooks.

I could be wrong but i dont think cap should be able to touch spiderman either way.

He outreacted/overloaded the precog.

In the first set of scans I posted, you can see Peter's sense going off before Cap punches him in the face.

Then, he tries to avoid the shield, only to get pressure pointed from a different angle. That's just how tactical Cap was (think like Midnighter's computer).

Gambit wins. He is faster, and he has much more firepower.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Gambit wins. He is faster, and he has much more firepower.

Faster is debatable (haven't seen anything saying either is conclusively faster), and firepower counts for little when Cap has THE greatest defensive item in Marvel.

Not to mention, if he can dodge bullets, he can dodge cards.

Guys, Gambit have a good speed advantage. Blocking bullets with his spear is much harder than block with a shield or dodge a single bullet. You need block every single bullet:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/acmedash/GAMBIT/defesa-01_zps9ccdd432.jpg

Point still stands, an assault rifle bullet is far faster than a thrown card. [/B]

Well, in some issues spider-man web is faster than bullets (he is able to create a "web shield" after the bullet is fired.

Here he can react well to web bullets: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/acmedash/GAMBIT/disparo_zps71288a71.jpg

And Gambit as some AOE attacks too. If he kept distance he have alot advantage (he can CATCH the shield). In close combat, he has advantage too, as we saw in they last fight. He could have killed Captain if he wanted too.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Guys, Gambit have a good speed advantage. Blocking bullets with his spear is much harder than block with a shield or dodge a single bullet. You need block every single bullet:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/acmedash/GAMBIT/defesa-01_zps9ccdd432.jpg

Well, in some issues spider-man web is faster than bullets (he is able to create a "web shield" after the bullet is fired.

Here he can react well to web bullets: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/acmedash/GAMBIT/disparo_zps71288a71.jpg

And Gambit as some AOE attacks too. If he kept distance he have alot advantage. In close combat, he has advantage too, as we saw in they last fight. He could have killed Captain if he wanted too.

See my post on page 2. Cap can actually see the bullets. He is plenty fast himself. Not to mention, Cap has outreacted and amped, prepped Spiderman, not just his web bullets (which, incidentally, you have NO IDEA of how fast they go. Spiderman's speed=/=web bullet speed).

OP has told us to disregard the fight Cap/Gambit had anyway, mainly because Cap won.