Gambit vs Captain America

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[B]See my post on page 2. Cap can actually see the bullets. He is plenty fast himself.

Gambit can see then too. He is able to BLOCK multiple bullets, at close range. In the scan that cap say he can see then, he just dodge a single bullet.

Gambit is even fast enough to catch a bullet with his hand: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/110710/2162276-863074-catch_super.jpg

Not to mention, Cap has outreacted and amped, prepped Spiderman,

Yes, in other hand he was tagged by Wolverine (wich Gambit has a very good record about who is faster in their fights), and other guys who are not in Spiderman level many times before. Cap is not in Peter speed level. Peter also hold back against cap.

Gambit is in Spider-man level of speed (but imo, Spider man is faster, but not by a lot).

not just his web bullets (which, incidentally, you have NO IDEA of how fast they go. Spiderman's speed=/=web bullet speed).

The web is fast enough to catch rockets: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2610625-feat32speedequipmentah2.jpg

To create a shield to block bullets (after they are shot): http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/3390083-198719-even_though_i_couldn_t_find_the_scan_when_spidey_catches_a_bullet__maybe_this_will_conpensate._webbing_up_bullets_after_they_are_fired...._super.jpeg

Yes but how fast were they in that scan you showed?

Like I said, neither have a clear advantage in speed. Gambit has little to no super strength, so his cards would be travelling around 90mph (the world record holder). Let's say he's 10% faster, and round up, so 100mph.

That's nothing.

Here, Cap blocks bullets AFTER they have been fired, behind him:

I repeat my point. Any feat war you try to do with regards to speed is a wash, as both sides will have impressive feats.

Speed is not the issue here.

Cap will be able to dodge/block all the cards thrown his way. Any that MIGHT connect, he can heal from.

He can then close the gap, and punch Gambit in the face. Gambit, whilst skilled, isn't that durable, and has no HF to speak of. One punch will be all that's needed, and considering who Cap has managed to take down, this 2nd rate X-man will be next on his list.

darksaint you're doing a good job of standing up for cap in this fight

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes but how fast were they in that scan you showed?

Like I said, neither have a clear advantage in speed. Gambit has little to no super strength, so his cards would be travelling around 90mph (the world record holder). Let's say he's 10% faster, and round up, so 100mph.

That's nothing.

But Gambit dont depend on hit a card in Cap body.

He can use AOE attacks: http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/goetz420/3_15_01_07_11_56_27_1.jpg

He can even use the ground as weapon. Or he can use his energized spear. Or just touch Captain.

And i believe everything his throw gain a aditional speed/strengh because kinect energy. He alredy used cards in a decent distance (would be impossible in real life standards).

About speed, i still think Gambit have better feats. He block multiple shots at very close range with a spear, he had to block everysingle bullet (he have others feats of blocking bullets).

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
But Gambit dont depend on hit a card in Cap body.

He can use AOE attacks: http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/goetz420/3_15_01_07_11_56_27_1.jpg

He can even use the ground as weapon. Or he can use his energized spear. Or just touch Captain.

And i believe everything his throw gain a aditional speed/strengh because kinect energy. He alredy used cards in a decent distance (would be impossible in real life standards).

About speed, i still think Gambit have better feats. He block multiple shots at very close range with a spear, he had to block everysingle bullet (he have others feats of blocking bullets).

Him charging the ground is a non-issue, unless he can suddenly fly/wallcrawl. Plus, your scan does not show AOE attacks- he's just grabbing a handful of dirt and throwing it, same as normal (which, as the OP hasn't specified, he wouldn't be able to do here, assuming an arena setting).

How fast are the items he throws? An assault rifle bullet is ~2000mph. Cap can see and dodge that. If he can go faster than that (so, IOW, throw items ~Mach 3) then you might have a point. I haven't seen anything suggesting that he's throwing supersonic cards, though.

Not to mention, Cap's HF and durability. One shield throw to the face and Gambit's down. Considering Cap has managed to tear through metal tanks and helicopters with his shield throws, not to mention impress even Cyclops with his ricochets/accuracy, I wouldn't wanna see what would happen if a morals off Cap threw that at him.

Cap

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Or just touch Captain.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Cause Gambit already tried, succeeded, and got his arse kicked.

Read the op next time, that fight is omitted.

Because you don't like it?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because you don't like it?

Because all of the fights in avx were garbage, cap took down warpath right before he fought gambit, whoever wrote that garbage is disabled.

Thing beat namor underwater during avx, do you need anymore proof that those fights are garbage?

Thing didn't beat Namor alone. Context.

Originally posted by thingy150
Because all of the fights in avx were garbage, cap took down warpath right before he fought gambit, whoever wrote that garbage is disabled.

You're the OP, and can thus make any stips you want.

Just be aware that pretty much everyone else on the forums don't just cherry pick the feats/fights they want and call the rest PIS.

Cap for example has a history of taking the fight to people way above his weight class, let alone some mutant.

He's like Spiderman and Batman in that regard. Also, Thor/Superman. When push comes to shove, they dig deep, and win against overwhelming odds. And people generally don't ignore those showings.

Originally posted by thingy150
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2351057-gambit_charges_daken.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/2351058-gambit_charges_daken2.jpg

remy could potentially do this to cap, cap taking on spiderman in my opinion is cis that stems from caps popularity, without the popularity factor here captain america is peak human fighting against the faster gambit, remy can pull some wins.

I am not arguing that remy wins every round i am arguing that cap does not win as much as you think, no morals, remy is a very tough fight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, I can understand CIS holding Spiderman from landing blows on Cap - but you're essentially saying Spiderman's CIS was making him take a beating from Cap.

Spiderman's not that stupid.

He has precog, and reflexes/speed. Whilst I admit he could've been holding back from punching Cap, neither did he have to get hit. But he was.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Yes, but Gambit is a guy with morals. If I was figting Daken, I would have no problem cutting off his arm and dealinghim wounds that would be fatal for humans knowing that he will heal (assuming that i won't become sushi before I do that). But against Cap, oen would hesistate in dealing major damage

First two words of the op are "No morals"

Originally posted by carver9
Thing didn't beat Namor alone. Context.

Luke punched him once and that was not in the extra issue, what about cap knocking out warpath, that was a travesty.

Originally posted by thingy150
Luke punched him once and that was not in the extra issue, what about cap knocking out warpath, that was a travesty.