Satele Shan & Wrath II vs Darth Maul & Savage Opress

Started by Sinious4 pages

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Not sure what you're loling at but he has defeated beings far more powerful in all out fights.

I didn't imply as such. I just find it kind of funny that Sinious made a thread featuring two characters who he believes to be outclassed.

I never said Wrath outclasses Maul.

I made this thread cause I saw some posters believing quite the opposite.

Yeah, he just said that the Wrath is far more powerful. Immensely different, ILS, you should know better.

If Wrath can beat people who are far more powerful than Maul, he should be able to beat Maul pretty soundly. Unless I'm missing some specifics in that analysis which could deter from that line of logic.

I mean, if I made a dueling only thread between Maul and some sap tier 4 duelist from SWTOR the pitch forks would come flying.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, he just said that the Wrath is far more powerful. Immensely different, ILS, you should know better.
Not really lol. If the gap in Force power or whatever is as large as it's being made out to be in this thread then it's a foregone conclusion that Maul would lose.

Originally posted by ILS
Not really lol. If the gap in Force power or whatever is as large as it's being made out to be in this thread then it's a foregone conclusion that Maul would lose.

I was joking. And no, Maul's force feats are a lot better than the Wrath's.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I was joking. And no, Maul's force feats are a lot better than the Wrath's.
My bad, I am absolutely awful at picking up text-sarcasm.

We were talking about power in the force.

Maul is an excellent duelist who can be a tough challenge for either member of team 1 and Wrath didnt defeat his enemies via force powers so it only proves that he is powerful enough to survive beings like Sel Makor. Its not like he can ragdoll Maul.

So I guess Maul would beat Wrath in a duel while Savage beats Satele?

The argument isn't that the wrath's direct force feats are better, it's that some of the opponents he has defeated are far more powerful than Maul.

Originally posted by ILS
So I guess Maul would beat Wrath in a duel while Savage beats Satele?

Savage isnt beating Satele.

Team 2 every time.

Savage is too powerful for Satele to do anything with TK, and Wrath has only beaten featless mooks and Baras

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Originally posted by Sinious
Savage isnt beating Satele.
Check your bias at the door if you want to debate with me, broski.
Originally posted by carthage
Team 2 every time.

Savage is too powerful for Satele to do anything with TK, and Wrath has only beaten featless mooks and Baras

I was eagerly awaiting your arrival to this thread, man.

NVM.

Satele struggled with featless Mekhis and got stomped by pre-prime Malgus. She isn't beating Savage by virtue of her skill, and his force feats are comparable to her so she gets no advantage in TK.

Maul would also beat Wrath with at best mid difficulty

Originally posted by carthage
Satele struggled with featless Mekhis and got stomped by pre-prime Malgus. She isn't beating Savage by virtue of her skill, and his force feats are comparable to her so she gets no advantage in TK.

Maul would also beat Wrath with at best mid difficulty

Seems like Sinious was just looking to play devil's advocate.

Originally posted by ILS
If Wrath can beat people who are far more powerful than Maul, he should be able to beat Maul pretty soundly. Unless I'm missing some specifics in that analysis which could deter from that line of logic.

There's some mitigation. Sel Makor probably wasn't that stellar a fighter since it was an incorporeal being until it possesses the Emperor's Voice. And even though Vitiate had lowered his defenses to allow that, he may have hindered Sel Makor from within. But Sel Makor was still basically Vitiate-level powerful and was literally creating monsters out of thin air to help him fight the Wrath.

The Wrath can also defeat an immensely powerful Jedi Master who basically achieved enlightenment after 15 years of meditation and was literally classified as a superweapon. And Baras who was said to be nigh indestructible and had his power enhanced by Sel Makor.

The Wrath is really great, and should get more respect around here imo. He;s easily a good match for Maul.

All vague nonsense and unquantifiable descriptions relating to Sel Makor's power, and none of which speak to his skill as a duelist. Baras has beaten Angral with the force, and stalemated pre-prime Satele Shan. None of that compares to Savage defeating Plo Koon and fighting evenly with Asajj Ventress, Satele likewise has only beaten featless opponents and lost to pre-prime Malgus twice.