Originally posted by SiniousI mean, without mincing my words, you're the one who made a thread just so you could say that two TOR characters you like to fanboy over win against movie-era characters. So like, it's sort of, you, who's being immature... tbh
lolYou sound just as immature as Carthage in this thread btw.
Lowball Wrath all you want. Defeating Sel Makor is greater than anything Maul has ever done.
Originally posted by ILS
I mean, without mincing my words, you're the one who made a thread just so you could say that two TOR characters you like to fanboy over win against movie-era characters. So like, it's sort of, you, who's being immature... tbh
%90 of the time you make a thread, you already have an opinion on how it will go down.
Like I said, I've seen several posts believing in favor of team 2 and so I've made a thread where arguments can be made.
If you're looking for spite threads you should check Carthage's department of trolling.
Originally posted by SiniousIG-88 vs Jango Fett, Cay Qel-Droma vs Anoon Bondara, Exar/Ulic vs Dooku/Ventress, Bane vs Shaak, Malgus vs Ulic, Ommin vs Strike team, Vodo vs Qui-Gon, Ulic/Cay vs Ven/Kao, Ulic vs Kyle Katarn, Sora Bulq vs Plo Koon. Those are threads I've made from the past three pages alone. Nice theory broseph.
%90 of the time you make a thread, you already have an opinion on how it will go down.Like I said, I've seen several posts believing in favor of team 2 and so I've made a thread where arguments can be made.
If you're looking for spite threads you should check Carthage's department of trolling.
Nah but you clearly think and want Wrath to beat Maul and you've only supported arguments for Wrath and Satele and in general just wank SWTOR characters so nah tbh.
Yhea but holding ventrezz waz juzt a miracle.
O.K I admit hiz duelling capacitiez are increazed whe he iz with hiz bro...
XD ToR character V.Z moovie character XDXDXD Execpt Yoda zidiouz or Mace.... ToR over kill mooviez characterz !!!!
It'z the emperor wrath II XD !!!! It'z above darth council level XDXDXDXDXDXDXD.
And dezpite the apparenze Zatele zhan iz not the grand mazter for nothing....
It'z a mixt between anakin zkywalker Yoda and maul and baztilia.
Maul light zaber fighting ztyle in lezz agrezziv, ztrengh zpeed and dexerterity boozt az yoda but zhe boozt the ztrengh more than the zpeed etc...
And a luke zkywalker becauz zhe have amazing force power but train herzelf more in light zaber combat (but zhe iz really well train in force combat that'z the difference with anakin...) puzhed to her limit... Eeeeeerrrr O.P !!!!
Remember when malguz cut her light zaber zhe hold the light zaber of malguz with her tutaminiz (O.P zkill) O.K her friend came to "zave her" and zhe unleah her force power wich completly reap malguz azz !!!!!!!!!!!!
It take no time for her to kick hiz azz !!! You need to quicly kill her in light zaber combat if you don't want to face her uzing her force abilitiez...
Originally posted by ILS
IG-88 vs Jango Fett, Cay Qel-Droma vs Anoon Bondara, Exar/Ulic vs Dooku/Ventress, Bane vs Shaak, Malgus vs Ulic, Ommin vs Strike team, Vodo vs Qui-Gon, Ulic/Cay vs Ven/Kao, Ulic vs Kyle Katarn, Sora Bulq vs Plo Koon. Those are threads I've made from the past three pages alone. Nice theory broseph.Nah but you clearly think and want Wrath to beat Maul and you've only supported arguments for Wrath and Satele and in general just wank SWTOR characters so nah tbh.
I'm sorry have you proven something with this?
Pumpkin, if you have a problem with my point of view or get annoyed by my threads/posts, ignore them. If you think I'll try to justify myself to you, think again. 😉
Honestly, the lack of SW in this thread disturbs me.
Originally posted by SiniousProven that I don't have a clear winner in mind when I create 90% of my threads. Some of those threads feature characters I don't even care about that much on both sides.
I'm sorry have you proven something with this?Pumpkin, if you have a problem with my point of view or get annoyed by my threads/posts, ignore them. If you think I'll try to justify myself to you, think again. 😉
Honestly, the lack of SW in this thread disturbs me.
Annoyed? Rofl, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous you're being in this thread. And it's not that you won't justify yourself to me - it's that you can't. I justified myself to you when you accused me of attempting to make spite threads, but you can't do the same here. Essentially:
Originally posted by carthage
Making a thread where you deliberately support TOR characters to spite dos 3vil PT characters >> being immature
Originally posted by ILS
Proven that I don't have a clear winner in mind when I create 90% of my threads. Some of those threads feature characters I don't even care about that much on both sides.Annoyed? Rofl, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous you're being in this thread. And it's not that you won't justify yourself to me - it's that you can't. I justified myself to you when you accused me of attempting to make spite threads, but you can't do the same here. Essentially:
Oh I meant that in general. Its rare not having a clue about who would win as the thread maker. I wasn't accusing you, my bad.
I think team 1 wins mostly cause I don't think Savage can keep up with these guys and I was expecting some arguments instead of this crap you've displayed.
Originally posted by Sinious
Honestly, the lack of SW in this thread disturbs me.
With such illuminating posts as these, please explain to me the lack of SW in this thread/discussion about a fight
Originally posted by Sinious
?Not sure what you're loling at but he has defeated beings far more powerful in all out fights.
Originally posted by Sinious
lolDefeating Sel Makor is greater than anything Maul has ever done.
Originally posted by Sinious
Oh I meant that in general. Its rare not having a clue about who would win as the thread maker. I wasn't accusing you, my bad.I think team 1 wins mostly cause I don't think Savage can keep up with these guys and I was expecting some arguments instead of this crap you've displayed.
Savage is good enough to keep up with some of the top duelists of his order, and usually ends up overpowering them with his physical strength or the force. Just by getting angry, which happens pretty easily, Savage can tag, throw around, and sometimes even outright overpower numerous powerful force users at once. The raw power at his disposal is ridiculous. There is a reason Dooku felt that his increasing power was a threat, and was uneasy about Savage running free around the galaxy.
If you don't think Wrath has the power to overpower Maul, then how you expect him to win? For most of his achievements, we are lack the circumstances to place him on Maul's level. His best force feats, with respect to TK, have been replicated by opponents whom Maul has consistently overpowered. What feats does he have to suggest he approaches Maul as a duelist?
Basically, Wrath is an implied powerhouse, which I won't argue against. However, both Maul and Savage have solid accolades backed with feats to place them pretty high among the majority within the SW mythos.
Originally posted by carthage
With such illuminating posts as these, please explain to me the lack of SW in this thread/discussion about a fight
You don't agree with those posts? 😕
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Savage is good enough to keep up with some of the top duelists of his order, and usually ends up overpowering them with his physical strength or the force. Just by getting angry, which happens pretty easily, Savage can tag, throw around, and sometimes even outright overpower numerous powerful force users at once. The raw power at his disposal is ridiculous. There is a reason Dooku felt that his increasing power was a threat, and was uneasy about Savage running free around the galaxy.
And do you think he can defeat the Grand Master of the Order of SWTOR era? I mean, we lack proper info on Satele's prime but her performance in "Hope" clarifies why she became a Grand Master in the first place.
She has some pretty decent strength and speed feats in Fatal Alliance as well.
If you don't think Wrath has the power to overpower Maul, then how you expect him to win? For most of his achievements, we are lack the circumstances to place him on Maul's level. His best force feats, with respect to TK, have been replicated by opponents whom Maul has consistently overpowered. What feats does he have to suggest he approaches Maul as a duelist?
Idk if he can overpower Maul or not. Who do you mean by "opponents whom Maul has consistently overpowered?
Like HoT, Wrath's accomplishments are a bit vague compared to the other 2 protags though they are considered to be more powerful than the other 2 protagonists. Wrath's victory against Baras is also a very impressive one considering the accolades Darth Baras has.
You can check his victories here. Darth Baras and Sel Makor are the 2 major ones but he has defeated many other challenging opponents.
Basically, Wrath is an implied powerhouse, which I won't argue against. However, both Maul and Savage have solid accolades backed with feats to place them pretty high among the majority within the SW mythos.
Fair enough. Do you think Savage>Wrath though?
avage>Wrath??????????? Haaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Originally posted by SiniousI think people, in general, need to get over what they think should be the status quo, and try and realize what is the case in reality. Like, in debates, people put far too much stock into things like a characters' rank or level authority within an organization, or their significance in the grand scheme of things in SW, and let that dictate who they want to win a fight rather than clear cut evidence.
And do you think he can defeat the Grand Master of the Order of SWTOR era? I mean, we lack proper info on Satele's prime but her performance in "Hope" clarifies why she became a Grand Master in the first place.
Example? Satele Shan, Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, legendary Jedi Master and war veteran, versus... Savage Opress, dark side monster who died after like 2 months of not doing much.
Who wins? Well..... one may first assume that because Satele overall is just a much more significant character it would look silly for Savage to be beating her, and that would sway their decision. The preconceived notion that some stupid monster from the evil PT era cannot beat one of the main characters from SWTOR who also happens to be da grandmastur. But then when you compare their feats, it's pretty clear who is superior and who should win the fight based on real evidence.
It's the same reason people convince themselves that Darth Vader must be light years ahead of Darth Maul and Ventress as a duelist, or why people think Agen Kolar would struggle to get himself out of a paper bag. Because overall these characters are less significant, therefore they can't possibly be as good as *insert significant character here*
Fact is, you don't need to be important or whatever to have good feats. You just need to have good feats, which Savage does.
That wasn't really directed at you btw, Sinious, but just in general I feel like people jump the gun with characters and assume they're shit because they aren't as significant to whatever stories they feature in. It's why people still have a hard time believing Luke Skywalker could match Vader.
Originally posted by ILS
I think people, in general, need to get over what they think should be the status quo, and try and realize what is the case in reality. Like, in debates, people put far too much stock into things like a characters' rank or level authority within an organization, or their significance in the grand scheme of things in SW, and let that dictate who they want to win a fight rather than clear cut evidence.Example? Satele Shan, Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, legendary Jedi Master and war veteran, versus... Savage Opress, dark side monster who died after like 2 months of not doing much.
Who wins? Well..... one may first assume that because Satele overall is just a much more significant character it would look silly for Savage to be beating her, and that would sway their decision. The preconceived notion that some stupid monster from the evil PT era cannot beat one of the main characters from SWTOR who also happens to be da grandmastur. But then when you compare their feats, it's pretty clear who is superior and who should win the fight based on real evidence.
It's the same reason people convince themselves that Darth Vader must be light years ahead of Darth Maul and Ventress as a duelist, or why people think Agen Kolar would struggle to get himself out of a paper bag. Because overall these characters are less significant, therefore they can't possibly be as good as *insert significant character here*
Fact is, you don't need to be important or whatever to have good feats. You just need to have good feats, which Savage does.
That wasn't really directed at you btw, Sinious, but just in general I feel like people jump the gun with characters and assume they're shit because they aren't as significant to whatever stories they feature in. It's why people still have a hard time believing Luke Skywalker could match Vader.
You are not wrong but I have to point out one thing. There are indeed certain ranks/positions that imply power and mastery over the force. Savage's importance in the galactic timeline doesn't matter at all. However, the time he spent time mastering the force, his sources of knowledge(sorcery, training with a master etc) and his focus matters. There is a difference between a descendant of Revan who is surrounded by thousands of jedi, gets raised by proper masters and becomes the freaking Grand Master of the Order in a very competitive era and someone who has little mastery and knowledge over the force.
More importantly, movies related characters will always have more feats because they get to appear in a lot of material unlike characters from other eras. We're not trying to solve issues like global warming here. Its not a bad thing to use your learned opinions in arguments especially since SW is a universe with multiple sources/writers and has different realities in different eras. I mean otherwise Ahsoka>Ragnos would actually be the case which is something you disagree with right?
Originally posted by SiniousThe problem is, unless Satele has actually been given some real, quantifiable praise that would factually put her ahead of Savage, then she can still be put below him if her feats are inferior. Hype means nothing if it doesn't yield results, and often times this is the case in SWTOR. And I mean yeah, Satele is more skilled at using the Force (which we found out from feats opposed to vague accolades and praise), but then Savage is more powerful.
You are not wrong but I have to point out one thing. There are indeed certain ranks/positions that imply power and mastery over the force. Savage's importance in the galactic timeline doesn't matter at all. However, the time he spent time mastering the force, his sources of knowledge(sorcery, training with a master etc) and his focus matters. There is a difference between a descendant of Revan who is surrounded by thousands of jedi, gets raised by proper masters and becomes the freaking Grand Master of the Order in a very competitive era and someone who has little mastery and knowledge over the force.More importantly, movies related characters will always have more feats because they get to appear in a lot of material unlike characters from other eras. We're not trying to solve issues like global warming here. Its not a bad thing to use your learned opinions in arguments especially since SW is a universe with multiple sources/writers and has different realities in different eras. I mean otherwise Ahsoka>Ragnos would actually be the case which is something you disagree with right?
Not always. Savage doesn't have a massive stockpile of feats. But that's besides the point. Even if movie characters sometimes do have more feats (which doesn't even necessarily mean better feats), that's no reason to begin resenting them and drawing your own conclusions based on conjecture. Just concede that the movie character wins and move on.
Probably. Ragnos' power level is pretty vague as far as I can tell. And I don't have double standards when it comes to characters with little to no feats. Like I said, just because someone is perceived to be a much more important and powerful character doesn't necessarily mean they are going to win the fight. Having said that, the notion of Ragnos being inferior to Ahsoka does sound pretty silly, but then I think Ragnos was always intended to be a vaguely powerful character, which means he isn't too well suited to a versus board.