Hunter/Prey Doomsday vs the Elders of the Universe...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@leonidas

Characters typically are intentionally unable to clear the gauntlets I create; its a feat of toughness to simply progress in them...let alone finish them.

So far, I've seen no reasonable argument to suggest (nor have I seen anything from HP Doomsday himself) he is capable of beating 4 Trans Tier characters one after another , an arguable Low Skyfather (Grandmaster), and then a character that is Skyfather or greater who is Ego...

Btw, you might want to recheck the tierings here at KMC; Ego is not a Street Leveler, Meta, Herald, or Trans Tier character (there is even a notion that specifically excludes Ego from the Trans Tier)...

He is a High Powered Cosmic; given what he is capable of, him losing to Bill is absolutely PIS...

And didnt Ego take on multiple Celestials once? I dont have time to locate the scan now, but I will do so tommorrow at some point...if my memory is correct, then your argument that Ego demostrated Galactus level power only once is false.

Anyway, this thread is not a bait thread at all; its a thread designed to see how far HP Doomsday gets against the Elders; him stopping at 4 seems very reasonable...him clearing (based on his history) seems absolutely ridiculous.

ego is most certainly NOT a skyfather. not sure where you would ever get that notion. there was an issue where he came in conflict with celestials at some point, but i don't recall the arc (maximum security maybe...) but it doesn't change the fact that galactus was enormously weak, and both thor and bill have handled him. he has some decent showings but he is in no way a skyfather level.

and i don't need a list to tell me where a character should be slotted.....

GM is certainly the most impressive of all the elders and the one who is the trickiest to deal with. not sure what else you would need to see--dd slaughtered SCORES of gls simultaneously, effortlessly killed guardians (who are certainly trans level) handled the OE and put darkseid down in a couple shots. waverider is enormously powerful on his own (high herald) and when teamed with an amped supes could literally do nothing at all against dd except pi$$ him off. i'd be eager to hear what feats the individual elders have (GM and ego aside) that would lead you to think they would have a chance of stopping him.

you say dd has no feats, but so far i'm the only one listing any feats at all. without the gems tell me what the elders have done that make you think they could stop him.

hmm, now that i think about it, i think the arc was a thor arc. but i don't think it was ego vs celestials, i think it was super-ego, who was far more powerful and literally dwarfed ego...... i could be wrong but i think that is what you're talking about.

Originally posted by leonidas
ego is most certainly NOT a skyfather. not sure where you would ever get that notion. there was an issue where he came in conflict with celestials at some point, but i don't recall the arc (maximum security maybe...) but it doesn't change the fact that galactus was enormously weak, and both thor and bill have handled him. he has some decent showings but he is in no way a skyfather level.

and i don't need a list to tell me where a character should be slotted.....

GM is certainly the most impressive of all the elders and the one who is the trickiest to deal with. not sure what else you would need to see--dd slaughtered SCORES of gls simultaneously, effortlessly killed guardians (who are certainly trans level) handled the OE and put darkseid down in a couple shots. waverider is enormously powerful on his own (high herald) and when teamed with an amped supes could literally do nothing at all against dd except pi$$ him off. i'd be eager to hear what feats the individual elders have (GM and ego aside) that would lead you to think they would have a chance of stopping him.

you say dd has no feats, but so far i'm the only one listing any feats at all. without the gems tell me what the elders have done that make you think they could stop him.

In his first meeting with Ego, Galactus wasn't extremely weakened, in fact he fed on a planet, though he was still hungry for some reason. Still, in his second encounter later in some Thor #200+ issue, Ego definitely seemed superior to Galactus whom i don't recall being hungry which is weird but Galactus was not at his prime; he was considered Odin's equal at best at that time period - still massively powerful though and not far from the levels which we now know him to be, at least on average. I agree that on average Ego is now not on G's level though; but skyfather? I don't see why not.

Ego never fought the Celestials; you're either thinking of Super-ego (of which Ego is a mere aspect of) who battled the Celestials or the alternate Ego who fought 2 Celestials in an issue of Exiles.

well, like lom you're certainly entitled to your opinion. you really said nothing that i didn't say myself though. i said his showings were inconsistent, he has some good, some bad. i told lom it was super ego, not ego who faced the celestials and while you think he may be skyfather, i'll still stick with firmly entrenched in trans. bill did handle him without pis, thor and herc and firelord were able to handle him and none or all would be a challenge to a true skyfather level being. hasn't nova also taken it to ego at least once? and ronan with his power (not sure if he had all of it) was powerful, but certainly wasn't a skyfather. 50 years ago he may well have been portrayed somewhat differently, but nothing i've seen of him lately would lead me to conclude ego is a skyfather. high trans? sure. but i'd still take thanos over him. but, as i said, you're as entitled to your opinion as lom is. and myself. 👆

too me, dd could use super speed to pummel his way into ego's brain. once there, ego would be in huge trouble. his planetary defenses are pretty impressive but not enough to stop dd imo. if dd starts OFF his surface it's a lot tougher and the advantage would go to ego. which of course is why i said earlier there is no guarantee of a win for dd. much depends on where the battle begins. especially since dd can't fly.....

Operator, Galactus was still hungry because one planet is not NEARLY enough to keep him satiated.

One planet a month, or whatever his diet is, is enough to just barely keep him alive.

i tend to agree with the above.

as for the match--again, i think it's important to state where things are happening. obviously if dd is on some indestructible planet and ego is approaching him from a distance, it's pretty well impossible to see a way dd could win. if, as would be fair, dd started ON ego, that would be something different altogether. ego couldn't even overwhelm sif and nobilus on his surface.....

there's also the fact that nick fury and his gun KILLED a living planet. we know ego is not unique. lots of things that lead me to believe dd would certainly have a chance (a good one imo) to take ego out.

^ For the point being made above ......what are you talking about? Are you saying that an entire planet is basically an insignificant meal to Galactus? That's certainly not the case.

One example, during SS #51 where a hungry Galactus consumes a single planet and it made him "whole" again:

http://i.imgur.com/NqiSBv6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OQ2fP8v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vz3jVTy.jpg

Galactus even implied earlier in the issue that it would amp him to full power. I outright remember another instance where Galactus consumes a single planet and says he's back at "full strength" or something akin to it, but i can't remember the exact issue number. There are more examples.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, like lom you're certainly entitled to your opinion. you really said nothing that i didn't say myself though. i said his showings were inconsistent, he has some good, some bad. i told lom it was super ego, not ego who faced the celestials and while you think he may be skyfather, i'll still stick with firmly entrenched in trans. bill did handle him without pis, thor and herc and firelord were able to handle him and none or all would be a challenge to a true skyfather level being. hasn't nova also taken it to ego at least once? and ronan with his power (not sure if he had all of it) was powerful, but certainly wasn't a skyfather. 50 years ago he may well have been portrayed somewhat differently, but nothing i've seen of him lately would lead me to conclude ego is a skyfather. high trans? sure. but i'd still take thanos over him. but, as i said, you're as entitled to your opinion as lom is. and myself. 👆

too me, dd could use super speed to pummel his way into ego's brain. once there, ego would be in huge trouble. his planetary defenses are pretty impressive but not enough to stop dd imo. if dd starts OFF his surface it's a lot tougher and the advantage would go to ego. which of course is why i said earlier there is no guarantee of a win for dd. much depends on where the battle begins. especially since dd can't fly.....

I did remind you of the fact that Ego had 2 encounters with G and in the second, Ego was depicted superior.

Thor, Herc and FL didn't engage Ego in direct combat they just fought his antibodies or something; it was Galactus who faced him in that issue, and that's the same issue that i referenced where Ego was shown to be, at least partially, superior to Galactus.

Even nowadays Ego is considered skyfather-level. A recent Thanos comic had him on the same levels as Odin and Galactus, and reminded us of his battles with Galactus:

http://i.imgur.com/NshhIB1.jpg

Im not saying H/P DD doesn't have a chance. He does, especially considering that Ego has a history losing to weaker characters than H/P DD, like BRB or Nova Prime, but that doesn't mean we've also have to ignore his higher showings, especially when he's generally considered at least in the skyfather tier. I just think you're downplaying Ego by considering him in the trans tier.

meh, it's ok by me that you think i'm downplaying him, but just know i have very logical reasons for believing such. i think a skyfather level character losing to characters like nova and bill is kinda silly if he really is supposed to be a skyfather level entity. and the way they beat him made sense and could easily be replicated by galactus which may indicate to some a little pis regarding the galactus fights. at the least, it would seem to indicate his battle against g was the outlier. he couldn't even remove the rocket machinery attached to his surface in that early conflict....and you're right about the antibodies. but those are his on-surface defenses. which is why i think dd could kill him and why i DON'T think he's a skyfather. he couldn't even forcibly take out sif and the others in a later confrontation.

regardless of this difference of opinion, we seem to agree on the overall premise regarding dd in this battle. that's good enough for me. 👆

Originally posted by operator616
^ For the point being made above ......what are you talking about? Are you saying that an entire planet is basically an insignificant meal to Galactus? That's certainly not the case.

One example, during SS #51 where a hungry Galactus consumes a single planet and it made him "whole" again:

http://i.imgur.com/NqiSBv6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OQ2fP8v.jpg

Consider it a retcon if you will, but one planet is no longer enough to fully power up Galactus.

Originally posted by krisblaze
That's not the case anymore.

Consider it a retcon if you will, but one planet is no longer enough to fully power up Galactus.

It hasn't changed, i can give you more recent examples (a bit later, now i can't); and im not even saying that every single time Galactus consumes a planet he gets fully-powered - just that some writers have it that way. But it's generally accepted that a single planet is enough to take away Galactus' hunger for a while.

.....But even if what you're saying is true and it has been changed (even though im certain it hasn't), you realize that i was talking about a Galactus 50 years ago? Which by your own standards would make it "pre-hunger-retcon Galactus" and thus making that claims of yours above irrelevant.

Originally posted by operator616
^ For the point being made above ......what are you talking about? Are you saying that an entire planet is basically an insignificant meal to Galactus? That's certainly not the case.

One example, during SS #51 where a hungry Galactus consumes a single planet and it made him "whole" again:

http://i.imgur.com/NqiSBv6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OQ2fP8v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vz3jVTy.jpg

Galactus even implied earlier in the issue that it would amp him to full power. I outright remember another instance where Galactus consumes a single planet and says he's back at "full strength" or something akin to it, but i can't remember the exact issue number. There are more examples.

I did remind you of the fact that Ego had 2 encounters with G and in the second, Ego was depicted superior.

Thor, Herc and FL didn't engage Ego in direct combat they just fought his antibodies or something; it was Galactus who faced him in that issue, and that's the same issue that i referenced where Ego was shown to be, at least partially, superior to Galactus.

Even nowadays Ego is considered skyfather-level. A recent Thanos comic had him on the same levels as Odin and Galactus, and reminded us of his battles with Galactus:

http://i.imgur.com/NshhIB1.jpg

Im not saying H/P DD doesn't have a chance. He does, especially considering that Ego has a history losing to weaker characters than H/P DD, like BRB or Nova Prime, but that doesn't mean we've also have to ignore his higher showings, especially when he's generally considered at least in the skyfather tier. I just think you're downplaying Ego by considering him in the trans tier.

^ 😂 you are literally the only troll in the forum who makes me regret my decision to NOT become a mod. i'd have loved banning your silly little trolling a$$. and while i appreciate your obsession with me, do me a favor and go hump someone else's leg girly. forum's so much better when you're no where near it. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
^ 😂 you are literally the only troll in the forum who makes me regret my decision to NOT become a mod. i'd have loved banning your silly little trolling a$$. and while i appreciate your obsession with me, do me a favor and go hump someone else's leg girly. forum's so much better when you're no where near it. 🙂

😂

He posted evidence to shoot down your erroneous claims and yet you still won't change your mind, teenage mutant ninja turtle.

keep barking little doggie. woof-woof. 😆

Originally posted by leonidas
keep barking little doggie. woof-woof. 😆

Calling people "doggie" is an insult now.......ok

http://media.tumblr.com/66c72bbdd73ab25c71ba45dfe9edc647/tumblr_inline_mq30jkKcdt1qz4rgp.gif

Originally posted by leonidas
keep barking little doggie. woof-woof. 😆

😂